[DarkstarZero]

Originally Posted by CommitConfirm

M2 CS is likely to be a run out special edition with a special price available to a lucky few.

I think this is likely as well.

[CAVU]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

Nothing's confirmed except for there being a S55 M2 CS or S55 M2 Competition coming MY2019, produced in 2018.

That's a good move, get your M2 then sell for M2 CS. Normally this would be a poor financial choice but with used M2s selling for near MSRP - you're likely only going to lose a few thousand total on the whole venture - totally worth driving around a M2 for a year while you wait for the CS.

Someone's finally on to me!!!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by CommitConfirm

I really wish my wife had bigger breasts. Apparently BMW will release an M2 DD next year....
Unfortunately no matter how much I want it to be true I can't will it into existence.

Maybe your wife might advise you to change perception.

[kiysersosae]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

So, now that the M4 and M3 LCI are out with no extra power, I'd just like to point out that the probability of an M2 LCI with a new, more powerful engine is much less likely than it was when I said it was incredibly unlikely.

Given that there are test mules and new chassis of every single model except the RWD 1 and 2 series, if you can't see the writing on the wall, good luck to you. The CS/CSL is almost certain to be a limited edition special model that will almost certainly be instantly sold out. I believe it will also be the swan song of the RWD 2 series. I do really hope I'm wrong. Now that I've stated my opinion, BMW are sure to do the opposite. Y'all are welcome.

I think if there is any power increase it will come in one of 2 ways.. A slight bump in power via an ecu tune, maybe 10 - 15bhp or, a modified turbo and 25-30bhp. M3 and 4 need not worry as the power to weight will still be grater than the m2 and everyone is still happy, moreso m2 owners who have m140 breathing down out necks, Bmw need to do something about that at least! And the greatest rivals, mercedes a 45 (about to release a new engine rumored to be 390bhp) and audi rs 3 (forget tt and cayman they are different cars in different leagues and cost 20k more than bmw)

One other thing to note; not one review I've read ever said anything about the car being down on power or in need of a boost... I honestly believe (even though it's a bit of porker) it's one of the most perfectly balanced cars in terms of power and chassi

[CommitConfirm]

Originally Posted by kiysersosae

... I honestly believe (even though it's a bit of porker) it's one of the most perfectly balanced cars in terms of power and chassi

Agreed. Plenty of natural grip. If a CS was to exist I think all they would really have to do is put the car on a diet. Remove the interior, shell seats, loose the tech, loose the AC, add a CF roof & CF driveshafts, CF door cards etc. and add the S55 to keep the horde at bay.

Personally CCM brakes are more hassle than there are worth, I'd be happy to stick with metal disc/rotors and if she lost the weight the standard calliper would probably give you that oomph the current brake system lacks.

I have my name on the list with a bunch of dealers... incase it does ever appear. But I'm preparing for it to be double or triple what a standard M2 costs.... suddenly that McLarren ClubSport does not look to bad...

[SoCalRob]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

- totally worth driving around a M2 for a year while you wait for the CS.

More likely 2 years before you can actually get your hands on one. -scr

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by kiysersosae

I think if there is any power increase it will come in one of 2 ways.. A slight bump in power via an ecu tune, maybe 10 - 15bhp or, a modified turbo and 25-30bhp. M3 and 4 need not worry as the power to weight will still be grater than the m2 and everyone is still happy, moreso m2 owners who have m140 breathing down out necks, Bmw need to do something about that at least! And the greatest rivals, mercedes a 45 (about to release a new engine rumored to be 390bhp) and audi rs 3 (forget tt and cayman they are different cars in different leagues and cost 20k more than bmw)

One other thing to note; not one review I've read ever said anything about the car being down on power or in need of a boost... I honestly believe (even though it's a bit of porker) it's one of the most perfectly balanced cars in terms of power and chassi

I guess with the M240i being so closed in performance to the current M2, BMW can push the performance envelope further on the CS and have the setup a bit more extreme than it currently is. After all you can't stop progressing or you will be left behind by the competitors.

Engine power wise it depends on how you see it. If it is to be seen as a track ready car then power is never enough. If it is to be seen as a daily drive car then it is enough but so is the 240i.

[CommitConfirm]

Originally Posted by Corinne

I hear that they are going to put a CO2 tax on bicycles next year. After all, people who ride them breathe faster and transform oxygen into carbon dioxide so it has to be taxed. The tax might be extended to joggers too.

That and tax tourist who walk in the cycle lanes!!!! You'd make a killing in more ways than one

[Mint]

The e90 335 was pretty close in straight line performance to the e92 M3. I'm not sure I see the argument thst because of the fact that the M2 40 is almost as fast as the M2 they have to up the power on the M2

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Mint

The e90 335 was pretty close in straight line performance to the e92 M3. I'm not sure I see the argument thst because of the fact that the M2 40 is almost as fast as the M2 they have to up the power on the M2

?

No it wasn't. When tuned, yes. Stock? Not at all.

The 335 is down almost 100 bhp (taking into account it's a bit underrated).

An M3 runs a 12.6 or 12.7 at 113 or 114. The 335 does about a 13.5 at 106.

Not close.

And that's not even mentioning things like the M3 had a high-revving, glorious V8. A true M motor. Whereas the 335s turbo 6 has entirely different in character, and more pedestrian.

The M2 and 240 have much more similar performance, and similar character at least as far as the engines go.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Mint

The e90 335 was pretty close in straight line performance to the e92 M3.

You must be thinking about the outgoing E46 M3 at the time of the E90 335i's introduction. They were very close in terms of straight line performance.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

I guess with the M240i being so closed in straight line performance to the current M2...

There... fixed it for ya! I don't think any serious reviewer has said the M240i is comparable to the M2 in terms of all round performance and handling.

[GimmeanM]

Only a few people have mentioned the steering feedback in this M2CS discussion.

Diet: Seems like most people agree that they'd like this variant to be lighter than the main M2.

Power: Seems like it's pretty certain that it will have the S55, and while that may not be as necessary in the eyes of some versus a diet I think it could still be great even if it doesn't lose that much weight.

Steering: I would bet that BMW's trend towards 'lighter' steering across all models has been a direct answer to focus group feedback. However the one criticism of the M2 that resonates with me is steering feedback. For what I enjoy in these cars it is an integral component. I hope that BMW realizes that the people who want this CS are likely to be the 'purest' type of enthusiasts; the people for which too much feedback is not likely to be a concern.

[Benef1cient]

From 2ertalk.de forum here:
One member who was in Garching reported he saw a test mule of M2 with the following:
1. Digital speedometer like in M4 LCI
2. Manual transmission
3. Probably S55, he saw the carbon strut like in M3/4
4. LED headlights
5. Front apron/bumper camo/plastic cover (suggesting its still under development)

[Isty]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

From 2ertalk.de forum here:
One member who was in Garching reported he saw a test mule of M2 with the following:
1. Digital speedometer like in M4 LCI
2. Manual transmission
3. Probably S55, he saw the carbon strut like in M3/4
4. LED headlights
5. Front apron/bumper camo/plastic cover (suggesting its still under development)

Surely this isn't the LCI M2? Should this be the "M2 cs" then? No aero bits?

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by Isty

Surely this isn't the LCI M2? Should this be the "M2 cs" then? No aero bits?

Nope, he just said there was camo in the rear diffuser area but it looked similar to current M2s setup, no wing or anything.

[medphysdave]

Clearly he got a very good look if the hood was up. I'd be really disappointed if the only difference were LCI updates and S55. This really points towards the rumor that the CS is the new base model, and not a special version. Maybe a diffuser and front lip added to explain the camo.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

From 2ertalk.de forum here:
One member who was in Garching reported he saw a test mule of M2 with the following:
1. Digital speedometer like in M4 LCI
2. Manual transmission
3. Probably S55, he saw the carbon strut like in M3/4
4. LED headlights
5. Front apron/bumper camo/plastic cover (suggesting its still under development)

I read this earlier today also,but imo is more suggestive of the CS.

The thing that stands out for me along with the expected engine change is that it looks like they've addressed the instrument cluster.Hopefully proper oil and water Temps and no more complaints of being unable to see what's going on.

I wonder if this instrument cluster will hold true for the LCI this Summer and will it be as slick as the Audi offerings...

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

From 2ertalk.de forum here:
One member who was in Garching reported he saw a test mule of M2 with the following:
1. Digital speedometer like in M4 LCI
2. Manual transmission
3. Probably S55, he saw the carbon strut like in M3/4
4. LED headlights
5. Front apron/bumper camo/plastic cover (suggesting its still under development)

What exactly do you mean in regard to the digital speedometer?The 4 series LCI is getting the new digital speedometer as an option.The speedometer in the M4 LCI is staying the same as it is now.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

What exactly do you mean in regard to the digital speedometer?The 4 series LCI is getting the new digital speedometer as an option.The speedometer in the M4 LCI is staying the same as it is now.

Translated:

" The dashboard was completely covered. However, the digital speedometer was to be seen, which apparently appears in the M2 still comes. The interior (also covered) will perhaps remain so. I could see in some places the leather with the well-known seams. "

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Translated:

" The dashboard was completely covered. However, the digital speedometer was to be seen, which apparently appears in the M2 still comes. The interior (also covered) will perhaps remain so. I could see in some places the leather with the well-known seams. "

Thanks for the translation,too bad he wasn't able to take some pictures.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Translated:

" The dashboard was completely covered. However, the digital speedometer was to be seen, which apparently appears in the M2 still comes. The interior (also covered) will perhaps remain so. I could see in some places the leather with the well-known seams. "

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Thanks for the translation,too bad he wasn't able to take some pictures.

No problems,my thoughts exactly.I was sort of hoping this however the car that was seen might only be a prototype yet so it still might be early days before its signed off,if it happens at all but I'm hopeful.