[Artemis]

M2 LCI test mule (October 2016):



Compare with the 2er LCI spotted recently:









FWIW: compare with the heads and tails of the 2017 G30 5er:











Adding this info to the first post of this thread.

[///M-pressed]

Originally Posted by RoadRunner///M

Different DP's, mufflers and piping plays most part in this IL6 exhaust note difference, not S55 vs N55. Hence why the M3 ZCP sounds much better.

This has to be one of the most idiotic threads! This forum used to be full of informative info, now just speculative BS.

+1

[Artemis]

Further comparing the 2er LCI and 2017 G30 5er front: the camouflage on the 2er LCI hood shows the current 2er hood line (straight line), very likely disguising the LCI hood line following the shape of the kidneys (with a small sensor point right between the kidneys), as also shown on the 2017 G30 5er + also features a big sensor (semi corona shape) centrally on the intake.







As the 2er fronts are not connected to the kidneys: return of the E46 3er/M3 hood design or E9X 3er/M3 hood design ?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

What do you mean ??.
This is my job. The other thing that pays me is entirely a hobby.

[csbear]

Originally Posted by Gatte

I wish they do make me the CEO, even if it's for just a year. I'll make sure there is an S55 M2 with a 6 speed MT and a lot of carbon fiber. Will even price below the GT4.

I'll even produce enough so everybody gets one.

Originally Posted by Attuale

And you will probably go out of business. :P

Unfortunately... so true. A signal that the car world, just like all consumer goods, follows the adage: "ninety percent of everything is crap."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

Still, Gatte gets my vote!

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Further comparing the 2er LCI and 2017 G30 5er front: the camouflage on the 2er LCI hood shows the current 2er hood line (straight line), very likely disguising the LCI hood line following the shape of the kidneys (with a small sensor point right between the kidneys), as also shown on the 2017 G30 5er + also features a big sensor (semi corona shape) centrally on the intake.

Why? It seems very unlikely (to me) that they'd change the hood line when the rest of the car is the same. It's just got new lights.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by swagon

Why? It seems very unlikely (to me) that they'd change the hood line when the rest of the car is the same. It's just got new lights.

Exterior changes: Front and rear bumpers, hood, headlights, taillights
Interior changes: dash controls, probably trim, probably iDrive 6.0.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Exterior changes: Front and rear bumpers, hood, headlights, taillights
Interior changes: dash controls, probably trim, probably iDrive 6.0.

Is this some "guaranteed" info from a BMW worker?

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by swagon

Is this some "guaranteed" info from a BMW worker?

No

[swagon]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

No

So what is it then? Another wish list?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by swagon

Is this some "guaranteed" info from a BMW worker?

Camouflage tape and panels are often a lead for possible changes.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by swagon

So what is it then? Another wish list?

If you're looking for guaranteed info, you're in the wrong thread! All about logical deduction. Have you never seen an LCI update? lol! Those are the types of changes ALWAYS done.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

If you're looking for guaranteed info, you're in the wrong thread! All about logical deduction. Have you never seen an LCI update? lol! Those are the types of changes ALWAYS done.

I am not looking for guaranteed info.

Yes, I've seen some shit in my life, incl. LCI updates.

What I am saying is that the prototype above does not have new bumper design. New lights and ACC is all I can see. And yes, there is some camo around the kidneys. If there was not any camouflage, no one would notice it on the road. And since it's got old bumpers, it does not seem likely, to me at least, that there will be any changes to the bumpers. I don't remember LCI prototypes getting new stuff throughout their development phase.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by swagon

I am not looking for guaranteed info.

Yes, I've seen some shit in my life, incl. LCI updates.

What I am saying is that the prototype above does not have new bumper design. New lights and ACC is all I can see. And yes, there is some camo around the kidneys. If there was not any camouflage, no one would notice it on the road. And since it's got old bumpers, it does not seem likely, to me at least, that there will be any changes to the bumpers. I don't remember LCI prototypes getting new stuff throughout their development phase.

I just made a poll for tracking how predictions match up to next summer's reality.

[ilovewagons]

Originally Posted by RoadRunner///M

Different DP's, mufflers and piping plays most part in this IL6 exhaust note difference, not S55 vs N55. Hence why the M3 ZCP sounds much better

Sorry, exhaust manifold design and valve timing, specifically affecting how when and where exhaust pulses meet is far more important in determining the character of the sound. DPs and mufflers only affect how much sound you get. Making a crap sound louder does not make it better. The M3 CP still sounds like garbage.

I have heard M2s with stock exhausts and M4s with MPEs going balls out around a track. I and every other person there could hear how distinctive the M2's exhaust note was and how much better it sounded. BMW fucked up big time with the sound of the S55. Worst sounding M car ever.

[ilovewagons]

Originally Posted by RoadRunner///M

The sound of the S55 is over criticised IMO. Sounds fine, especially ZCP or MPE. If you spend a bit of time in the car it actually starts to sound good, although M3 N55 sounds better. Then the S55 is a proper M engine too.

Yes, when I fork out A$160,000+ for a fun, sports sedan, I expect to be told that I will eventually grow to tolerate the bullshit coming out of the exhaust. I've driven one. You're entitled to your opinion, but it sounds like garbage. Sound is a big part of engaging with and enjoying a car and there is little to enjoy here.

It's part of why the F80/2 Ms leave me so cold. The chassis is good, but the engine is dull and its power delivery doesn't climb and build, it just plops the power down in a big wad of torque like food at a fucking cafeteria. I'm fully aware that I'm starting to sound like Cato the Elder speaking about Carthage, but if you accept this crap, don't complain when BMW keep doing it.

What, exactly, makes the S55 an M engine while somehow excluding the N55B30TO? Currently the only things it has are 1) It makes more power 2) It has an S designation. Perhaps if more emphasis had been placed on how it sounded and how it delivered its power, rather than chasing internet fanboy points, the S55 would deserve that S, instead of going down in history as the worst sounding M engine ever. The thing is so bad BMW have to play a synthesised V8 induction noise in the cabin. Don't give me any shit about it being composed of S55 induction noise, it sounds like a wannabe V8 in the cabin and like a farty mess outside. The 1M's N54B30TO is far more deserving of an S designation than the S55, FFS.

And yes, I am this fun at parties.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

Yes, when I fork out A$160,000+ for a fun, sports sedan, I expect to be told that I will eventually grow to tolerate the bullshit coming out of the exhaust. I've driven one. You're entitled to your opinion, but it sounds like garbage. Sound is a big part of engaging with and enjoying a car and there is little to enjoy here.

It's part of why the F80/2 Ms leave me so cold. The chassis is good, but the engine is dull and its power delivery doesn't climb and build, it just plops the power down in a big wad of torque like food at a fucking cafeteria. I'm fully aware that I'm starting to sound like Cato the Elder speaking about Carthage, but if you accept this crap, don't complain when BMW keep doing it.

What, exactly, makes the S55 an M engine while somehow excluding the N55B30TO? Currently the only things it has are 1) It makes more power 2) It has an S designation. Perhaps if more emphasis had been placed on how it sounded and how it delivered its power, rather than chasing internet fanboy points, the S55 would deserve that S, instead of going down in history as the worst sounding M engine ever. The thing is so bad BMW have to play a synthesised V8 induction noise in the cabin. Don't give me any shit about it being composed of S55 induction noise, it sounds like a wannabe V8 in the cabin and like a farty mess outside. The 1M's N54B30TO is far more deserving of an S designation than the S55, FFS.

And yes, I am this fun at parties.

>projecting this hard

You sound like you have some serious issues, homie.

I also recommend you to read the S55 tech docs and threads discussing this subject; this horse has been beaten to death so many times that there is nothing beat anymore. After reading all the stuff you will, hopefully, know why the S55 is an called S55 and not the other way like you would like it to be.

And no one gives a fuck about your preferences and angry behaviour. You don't like it, cool. I don't like olives and don't eat them.

[PackPride85]

S model engines typically use the newer more expensive tech before its passed down to the mass production cars. Other than lacking the extra turbo, the B58 uses most if not all of the S55 "upgrades" now.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

Yes, when I fork out A$160,000+ for a fun, sports sedan, I expect to be told that I will eventually grow to tolerate the bullshit coming out of the exhaust. I've driven one. You're entitled to your opinion, but it sounds like garbage. Sound is a big part of engaging with and enjoying a car and there is little to enjoy here.

It's part of why the F80/2 Ms leave me so cold. The chassis is good, but the engine is dull and its power delivery doesn't climb and build, it just plops the power down in a big wad of torque like food at a fucking cafeteria. I'm fully aware that I'm starting to sound like Cato the Elder speaking about Carthage, but if you accept this crap, don't complain when BMW keep doing it.

What, exactly, makes the S55 an M engine while somehow excluding the N55B30TO? Currently the only things it has are 1) It makes more power 2) It has an S designation. Perhaps if more emphasis had been placed on how it sounded and how it delivered its power, rather than chasing internet fanboy points, the S55 would deserve that S, instead of going down in history as the worst sounding M engine ever. The thing is so bad BMW have to play a synthesised V8 induction noise in the cabin. Don't give me any shit about it being composed of S55 induction noise, it sounds like a wannabe V8 in the cabin and like a farty mess outside. The 1M's N54B30TO is far more deserving of an S designation than the S55, FFS.

And yes, I am this fun at parties.

I don't disagree really, but I think it's just an unavoidable sign of the times. Exhaust note aside, modern DI turbo engines are going to be tuned for what they're good at, huge, flat torque curves. While they wouldn't, if they tuned an engine like the S55 to make less power down low, so you'd have a more N/A character, people would still complain. See the S65. While to you and I, that might be a perfect engine, many people hated it's soft low-end, particularly in view of the fact that the N54/N55 were out there in large numbers, killing it in the low/mid range on a few hundred dollar piggyback.

Numbers sell a lot of these cars, so BMW isn't going to pander to the small group of us who want revy/racy power curves.

What is it about the N54 you like so much (not that I don't love it)? A bit better exhaust note? The 1M's N54 is exactly the same as any other N54 in a 1/3/5 series, they couldn't just slap an S designation on it because they put it into an M car. At least the S55 was built up with a stronger block and internals, AWIC, etc. Making it a more advanced/well-built engine, again sans exhaust note. I don't think exhaust note is enough to overshadow the fact that it's a beast of an engine built like a brick shit house.

[croz55]

I really want to get the LCI but continuing to see this possible n55 engine is clear that the price would go up and I cannot afford whatever that price will be. Do you think there will be an LCI AND a special edition (CS/GTS) or just one or the other? Should I get a lease before or wait until this gets settled?

Thank you to anyone who can help.

[MMMBRAP]

I've been seeing unsubstantiated claims floating around that at the end of 2017 the "standard" M2 production will cease, and the new M2 CS will be both the LCI and the only M2 available for purchase.

Is this just BS or is there some validity to this?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

I've been seeing unsubstantiated claims floating around that at the end of 2017 the "standard" M2 production will cease, and the new M2 CS will be both the LCI and the only M2 available for purchase.
Is this just BS or is there some validity to this?

All speculation.

BMW M is keeping the M2 cards close to its chest and does not tolerate leaks. I guess that those who may know the accurate info through reliable sources, understandably will remain discreet about it in order to avoid their sources and themselves possibly getting into hot water with BMW. Gotta respect that.

But, there's nothing wrong with quoting snippets of official info. FWIW, see for example http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...3#post20792453