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      10-19-2014, 08:05 PM   #67
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When it comes to holding boost through the shift point, there is nothing like M-DCT.
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The 1M and M2 are 2 completely different models in terms of production. I'd be SHOCKED if it was only offered with MT.
I completely agree and this keeps repeating in my line of reasoning, considering this is not a limited edition and a volume model. But please give us the DCT instead of the 8ZF.


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Btw, it looks like there's going to be a mass European Delivery for the M2 like there was for the M3/4. I'd for sure be interested in doing that and meeting more forum members. It seriously will be an event of a lifetime.
If anyone is seriously interested in participating in the group delivery, I'd recommend making sure that you're first on the list at a dealership now.

Also please realize that when you purchase the first of a model from a dealership, you will more than likely be paying full MSRP.

I participated in the F8x group delivery, and I'm looking forward to participating in the launch of the M2 also. It was a wonderful experience!

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      10-20-2014, 04:33 AM   #69
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M2 will be offered with manual transmission only, in order to sufficiently distance itself from the M3 and M4:

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/2-s...red-hot-bmw-m2
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      10-20-2014, 05:42 AM   #70
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It's a well known fact that auto express usually talk a load of nonsense so I wouldn't read too much into that
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This is just fantastic news, I hope it is true. Really shows that BMW is committed to "the driver" and a "drivers car" DCT is nice, but I ohh so regret every day not going with manual in my 228i. An amazingly fun car dont get me wrong but its kind of boring kind of "kills" the car

This very well be the last ///M to be developed with a manual transmission, and it would be nice if it was exclusive too!

Emailed the dealer to get on the list for the Eurodelivery. Picked up my 228i while the m3/m4 euro group was over there at the dealer that sold most of them.
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This is just fantastic news, I hope it is true. Really shows that BMW is committed to "the driver" and a "drivers car" DCT is nice, but I ohh so regret every day not going with manual in my 228i. An amazingly fun car dont get me wrong but its kind of boring kind of "kills" the car

This very well be the last ///M to be developed with a manual transmission, and it would be nice if it was exclusive too!

Emailed the dealer to get on the list for the Eurodelivery. Picked up my 228i while the m3/m4 euro group was over there at the dealer that sold most of them.
The news is BS

Get over it.

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      10-20-2014, 11:38 AM   #73
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The news is BS

Get over it.

Period!
Seriously. One random quote and people take it is actual news. I know we're all excited for this car, but damn, relax.
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Personally, I couldn't care less as long as they actually offer a 6MT. Pickings are getting slim these days for those of us who still prefer it. The fact that they even offer one is one of the main reasons I am a BMW customer.
In fairness to enthusiasts of all types, the car needs to have both 6MT and DCT (the regular automatic, good as it is, simply is not sufficient for an M car).
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If anyone is seriously interested in participating in the group delivery, I'd recommend making sure that you're first on the list at a dealership now.

Also please realize that when you purchase the first of a model from a dealership, you will more than likely be paying full MSRP.

I participated in the F8x group delivery, and I'm looking forward to participating in the launch of the M2 also. It was a wonderful experience!
That's good to know. I should know within a couple of months whether I'll for sure be able to get this car or not.
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That's good to know. I should know within a couple of months whether I'll for sure be able to get this car or not.
I'd recommend putting a deposit down now to be the first on the list. You can always get a refund if the timing isn't right.
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I'd recommend putting a deposit down now to be the first on the list. You can always get a refund if the timing isn't right.
This might seem like a silly question, but when you say MSRP, did you mean regular MSRP or ED MSRP?
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This might seem like a silly question, but when you say MSRP, did you mean regular MSRP or ED MSRP?
ED MSRP
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A rebuttal to my own argument:
Initially I thought, well, they would be dumb to limit their market by only offering 6MT. Think of all the customers that would choose another option!

Which leads me to the marketing brilliance of such a move.
  1. It would reduce cannibalization of the M4 sales, as customers who want all the gadgets, including DCT, would scale up to the M4
  2. They could really make it the raw street hooligan it should be (like the 1M) and not have to dumb down its specs to differentiate it from the M3/4 family. The difference would not be so much in power and trackability, but a difference in manners, if you will. The M2 could really be a stripped-down, loud-mouthed braggart in lean fighting form, while leaving the M3/4 to those who like their speed fix to come in a tuxedo rather than bluejeans.

Think about it: You want James Bond, you get an M4. You want James Dean, you get an M2. Give them similar numbers, and the difference is all in the flavor - EVERYONE WINS!

Discuss amongst yourselves...
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This is a choice between two options, but it's not simply 6MT vs DCT:
  • BMW must achieve separation between models or they will hurt margins. Marketing wants clear messaging and identities- models with specs that are too similar create uncertainty, are tested against each-other instead of the competition, and generally sow discontent.
  • The M4 and M2 will sit very close to each-other in terms of price point, engine, configuration, performance, etc.
  • BMW separated the 1M from the M3 in many ways: by giving it more of a knife-edge handling, a very high torque 6 instead of the linear 8, under-rated the power output, and obviously by offering a manual only.
  • Despite this the separation was uncomfortably close, witness the 1M/ M3 rancor often seen here, or the fact that EVO said that the 1M was better than M3. This probably didn't do wonders for M3 sales, though the M3's run was nearly over.

Given all this, BMW faces a tradeoff with the M2:
  • If BMW offers a DCT, it will both increase the M2's price-point and performance, decreasing the separation between the M2 DCT and M4 manual.
  • As a result, BMW will probably have to decrease the performance of the M2, cutting power or increasing weight, in order to maintain a sufficient gap.

Thus I suspect we have the option of a manual only M2 that's closer to the M4 in terms of power to weight, but achieves separation in part by the transmission, or we can get a car with a DCT option that needs to achieve separation by other means. Most likely including reducing its power.

You can see here how BMW's current and historical M car lineups stack up, and figure out where you'd like to be in terms of price/ performance. Just keep in mind that you probably won't get "better than the M4":


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Here here!!

The manual boys really need to get off their high horse when it comes to looking down on anyone wanting a DCT, it's just boring and repetitive now. Some of us have wives that prefer auto for driving to work etc, I prefer paddles and both hands on the wheel when pushing on, it makes us no less of a petrol head or any less a good driver for not choosing to use our left leg to clutch.


LOL - I buy MTs so my wife won't drive my cars - she's a disaster behind the wheel.
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When it comes to holding boost through the shift point, there is nothing like M-DCT.
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The 1M and M2 are 2 completely different models in terms of production. I'd be SHOCKED if it was only offered with MT.
I completely agree and this keeps repeating in my line of reasoning, considering this is not a limited edition and a volume model. But please give us the DCT instead of the 8ZF.


Mass Euro Delivery???? COUNT. ME. IN.
Have you driven the m235i with ZF? I believe my m135i ZF is as good as the DCT on my E90 M3.
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Lets just hope the MT does NOT have rev matching!

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Pete, good to see you here, having enjoyed your analysis of the Porsche lineup on Rennlist.

Are you considering a GT4 or M2, or is this all for fun?
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Pete, good to see you here, having enjoyed your analysis of the Porsche lineup on Rennlist.

Are you considering a GT4 or M2, or is this all for fun?
Thanks... I am looking sideways at an M2, though I'm suspicious it won't be enough to talk me out of my 1M. I will need to do something however, as it's got 65k already and climbing fast... I am on the GT4 list, though the most recent speculation has me slightly down on it- I was hoping they'd address the rear suspension more than I suspect they will.

As for all this, not sure if it's fun, but it is interesting. I've had a request to turn it into an article... if I ever get my head around it. We'll see.
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Lets just hope the MT does NOT have rev matching!
Pretty sure you are going to lose that bet - thank heavens. BMW already has it at both ends of its range - the M3/4 and the Mini - and it's the coming thing (C7, Porsche, etc.)

As long as BMW sets it up so it can be turned off by the heel and toe-ers (a dying breed to be sure) , BMW can make everyone happy...
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Pretty sure you are going to lose that bet - thank heavens. BMW already has it at both ends of its range - the M3/4 and the Mini - and it's the coming thing (C7, Porsche, etc.)

As long as BMW sets it up so it can be turned off by the heel and toe-ers (a dying breed to be sure) , BMW can make everyone happy...
It can be turned off (when you are in Sport+) so it's a moot point. And yes he'll lose that bet.

Personally, I didn't think I was going to like it when I test drove an M4 with 6MT, but was pleasantly surprised. It took time to get used to it though
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I love the heel-toe man, can't lose it. Car will live in Sport + its whole damn life then. I do it ALL the time, even when driving my crappy daily. I feel it saves the drivetrain some strain in the long run..
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