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      10-30-2016, 01:08 PM   #23
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What would be genius is to keep the current m2 the way it is as a "base model" then release the s55 version with adaptive suspension, full array of colors and other goodies as a "cs" version.

Sort of like a 911 and a 911 gts sitting side by side.

Keeps everyone happy and gives us more choice and selection. I would imagine the profits would increase as well.
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Everyone calm the F down..

1. BMW, like any car manufacturer, heck any company that creates anything, will (or should) continue to improve on what they make. To think the M2 should stay the exactly the same for four years is just crazy. They don't owe you that - period.

2. I suspect the S55 is a lot more money and the fact is, the B58 is probably the motor that will be dropped in there. Either way, let's be honest, the performance gap between the M2 and the M240 is really close and BMW could and should widen that a bit (as well as the price delta too).

3. Even if they put a B58 in there or a S55, the 2016/2017 M2 will not "drop like a rock". It doesn't work that way. The new M2s will continue to be hard to get (though far from impossible) and the old ones will become available here and there. Witness what happened to 1M pricing when the M2 came out... nothing. And no, I'm not saying that is an apples to apples comparison, but the car will still hold its value very well.

4. No matter what, if you are an M2 owner, you will have had the privilege to drive that amazing car for months if not years before the new one comes out. And you know you love driving it - so don't even pull the "I should have waited"

And yes, with my delivery (now late Dec/early Jan), I will be one of the many who will be thinking "damn, maybe I should have waited" (I am human of course - I think), but the fact is, the car is perfect with the N55 IMHO and unless they add a sunroof (which they will announce the day my car goes status 150), I'm going to be very happy with what I have.

edit, a lot of "facts" above are my opinion of course
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Good thing it has LED tails so all the 2016/2017 owners have something interesting to look at.

Lmao jk, tails do look nice though.
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I don't care about the motor but I suspect that us pre-lci M2 owners will be able to upgrade to the LCI tail lights for probably around $800 and just require coding to avoid flickering similar to the old e9x platform. That's what I am hoping for
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S55 M2 @ $61k base
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N55 M2 @ $51k base

I'll save 10K and take the one that doesn't sound like a lawnmower.
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      10-30-2016, 01:44 PM   #28
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I don't care about the motor but I suspect that us pre-lci M2 owners will be able to upgrade to the LCI tail lights for probably around $800 and just require coding to avoid flickering similar to the old e9x platform. That's what I am hoping for
Same happened with the E82 1-Series: the LCI tails could be retrofitted on the pre-LCI cars (including the Blacklines edition).
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Same happened with the E82 1-Series: the LCI tails could be retrofitted on the pre-LCI cars (including the Blacklines edition).
Yeah that's all I really care about honestly, retrofitting as many of the cosmetics as possible. The motor doesn't really upset me because I prefer the more reliable N55. Stage 2 turbo upgrade on the N55 is more than enough power I could possibly want or need
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Good thing it has LED tails so all the 2016/2017 owners have something interesting to look at.

Lmao jk, tails do look nice though.
Hehehe cheeky :
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S55 M2 @ $61k base
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N55 M2 @ $51k base

I'll save 10K and take the one that doesn't sound like a lawnmower.
This.

I'd be much happier with less weight and more colour options.
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      10-30-2016, 02:16 PM   #32
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Production locations (Germany):
  • the M140i (B58 engine), M240i (B58 engine) and M2 (N55 engine) are manufactured at the BMW Leipzig plant;
  • the M3 (S55 engine) and M4 Cabrio (S55 engine) are manufactured at the BMW Regensburg plant;
  • the M4 (S55 engine) is manufactured at the BMW München plant;
  • the M5 (S63 engine) and M6 (S63 engine) are manufactured at the BMW Dingolfing plant.
If also the M2 CS gets the S55 engine (M3/M4) with production at the BMW Leipzig plant, it will be new for that plant, as it never fitted the S55 engine on existing BMW models. But the Leipzig plant does fit the B58 (M140i and M240i).

My guesstimate: MY2018 M2 CS gets a detuned S55 engine (± 400 hp), some lightweight bits and pieces here and there + the 2er LCI features.
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      10-30-2016, 02:38 PM   #33
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Ugh, just contradicted your self the m2 will be a b58 motor with power increase
Installed as it has been.
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Production locations (Germany):
  • the M140i (B58 engine), M240i (B58 engine) and M2 (N55 engine) are manufactured at the BMW Leipzig plant;
  • the M3 (S55 engine) and M4 Cabrio (S55 engine) are manufactured at the BMW Regensburg plant;
  • the M4 (S55 engine) is manufactured at the BMW München plant;
  • the M5 (S63 engine) and M6 (S63 engine) are manufactured at the BMW Dingolfing plant.
If also the M2 CS gets the S55 engine (M3/M4) with production at the BMW Leipzig plant, it will be new for that plant, as it never fitted the S55 engine on existing BMW models. But the Leipzig plant does fit the B58 (M140i and M240i).

My guesstimate: MY2018 M2 CS gets a detuned S55 engine (± 400 hp), some lightweight bits and pieces here and there + the 2er LCI features.
I guess the same but as I said earlier, what if BWM stops the base M2 for MY2018? As of now the N55 engine it is only used in the M2, correct?

Or maybe they are brining the B58 engine to the base M2 so they don't have to keep production the N55 on a small scale for the M2 alone.

All of this is speculation of course but it does help to kill time while waiting...
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Production locations (Germany):
  • the M140i (B58 engine), M240i (B58 engine) and M2 (N55 engine) are manufactured at the BMW Leipzig plant;
  • the M3 (S55 engine) and M4 Cabrio (S55 engine) are manufactured at the BMW Regensburg plant;
  • the M4 (S55 engine) is manufactured at the BMW München plant;
  • the M5 (S63 engine) and M6 (S63 engine) are manufactured at the BMW Dingolfing plant.
If also the M2 CS gets the S55 engine (M3/M4) with production at the BMW Leipzig plant, it will be new for that plant, as it never fitted the S55 engine on existing BMW models. But the Leipzig plant does fit the B58 (M140i and M240i).

My guesstimate: MY2018 M2 CS gets a detuned S55 engine (± 400 hp), some lightweight bits and pieces here and there + the 2er LCI features.
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I guess the same but as I said earlier, what if BWM stops the base M2 for MY2018? As of now the N55 engine it is only used in the M2, correct?

Or maybe they are brining the B58 engine to the base M2 so they don't have to keep production the N55 on a small scale for the M2 alone.

All of this is speculation of course but it does help to kill time while waiting...
My guess is the LCI will use the B58 because the N55 won't pass the 2018 EU emissions and the CS will use a modified 'S58'.

It wouldn't surprise me if the S55 is phased out altogether as the B58 has everything going for it,forged internals,closed deck,water to air intercooler etc.
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Idk to me I don't see any possible way they put an S55 in the base M2. Then it isn't a base M2 because the price will definitely increase significantly in my opinion and it defeats the purpose of the M2 which is honestly one of the best cars ever made for the money. That's the important part; for the price it is. No way they would sacrifice that for an S55. I think it's just testing for some kind of special edition. Just my guess.
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Somebody needs to get that car on video.
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BMW also ships engines out to their other plants. When I was at the Welt and took the tour we actually saw an M4 being produced and fitted with an engine. They even showed us a room which only housed engines I think (little fuzzy about this). The tour guide specifically told us that the Munich plant does not manufacture these engines and that they are pre-assembled before coming into Munich from Regensburg which he told us was close to Munich.

If we look at what's happening at Leipzig, it looks like the B58 was just added into that plant recently. I strongly believe that this was supposed to be the N55 replacement and the long term plan for the Leipzig plant is to produce just the B58 engine. The N55s that are being used on the existing M2s are probably the last few from the plant or are being assembled by a small %age of assembly stations at the plant.

The M2 (Future variant or CS/CSL/GTS) is probably going to have the B58 or ship some S55s from the closest plant to Leipzig. We can speculate which one. From a tooling and production standpoint, it is very expensive to manufacture two separate engines from the base up. You could use delayed differentiation (toyota does this a a lot) to reduce the costs significantly but 2 completely different engines will be expensive. For Eg: Manufacturing an N55 and a modified N55 will be a lot cheaper than and N55 and B58.
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What's the big deal with the LED tails? Are they better function wise or is it just an aesthetics thing?
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What's the big deal with the LED tails? Are they better function wise or is it just an aesthetics thing?
It's like CF mirrors and CF roof on a street car. Adds HP.
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What's the big deal with the LED tails? Are they better function wise or is it just an aesthetics thing?
It is 2016, most respectable car manufacturers use LED tails on all their vehicles, except BMW. LEDs tails are safer (turn on faster), last longer and look so much better. I am still puzzled of why BMW is not using LED tails on all their vehicles already, especially on cars that costs north of 50K USD.

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S55 M2 @ $61k base
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N55 M2 @ $51k base

I'll save 10K and take the one that doesn't sound like a lawnmower.
This. The s55 is coming. Wait for it or don't wait for it.
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Will update my 17 M2 tail lights when they launch the lci.
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It is 2016, most respectable car manufacturers use LED tails on all their vehicles, except BMW. LEDs tails are safer (turn on faster), last longer and look so much better. I am still puzzled of why BMW is not using LED tails on all their vehicles already, especially on cars that costs north of 50K USD.

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I'm only an electrician, but how exactly does the LEDs illuminate faster? Electrons move at the same speed
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