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Everyone calm the F down..
1. BMW, like any car manufacturer, heck any company that creates anything, will (or should) continue to improve on what they make. To think the M2 should stay the exactly the same for four years is just crazy. They don't owe you that - period. 2. I suspect the S55 is a lot more money and the fact is, the B58 is probably the motor that will be dropped in there. Either way, let's be honest, the performance gap between the M2 and the M240 is really close and BMW could and should widen that a bit (as well as the price delta too). 3. Even if they put a B58 in there or a S55, the 2016/2017 M2 will not "drop like a rock". It doesn't work that way. The new M2s will continue to be hard to get (though far from impossible) and the old ones will become available here and there. Witness what happened to 1M pricing when the M2 came out... nothing. And no, I'm not saying that is an apples to apples comparison, but the car will still hold its value very well. 4. No matter what, if you are an M2 owner, you will have had the privilege to drive that amazing car for months if not years before the new one comes out. And you know you love driving it - so don't even pull the "I should have waited" And yes, with my delivery (now late Dec/early Jan), I will be one of the many who will be thinking "damn, maybe I should have waited" (I am human of course - I think), but the fact is, the car is perfect with the N55 IMHO and unless they add a sunroof (which they will announce the day my car goes status 150), I'm going to be very happy with what I have. edit, a lot of "facts" above are my opinion of course
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Good thing it has LED tails so all the 2016/2017 owners have something interesting to look at.
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10-30-2016, 01:32 PM | #26 |
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I don't care about the motor but I suspect that us pre-lci M2 owners will be able to upgrade to the LCI tail lights for probably around $800 and just require coding to avoid flickering similar to the old e9x platform. That's what I am hoping for
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10-30-2016, 01:43 PM | #27 |
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S55 M2 @ $61k base
or N55 M2 @ $51k base I'll save 10K and take the one that doesn't sound like a lawnmower. |
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Yeah that's all I really care about honestly, retrofitting as many of the cosmetics as possible. The motor doesn't really upset me because I prefer the more reliable N55. Stage 2 turbo upgrade on the N55 is more than enough power I could possibly want or need
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My guesstimate: MY2018 M2 CS gets a detuned S55 engine (± 400 hp), some lightweight bits and pieces here and there + the 2er LCI features.
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10-30-2016, 02:38 PM | #33 |
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Ugh, just contradicted your self the m2 will be a b58 motor with power increase
Installed as it has been. |
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Or maybe they are brining the B58 engine to the base M2 so they don't have to keep production the N55 on a small scale for the M2 alone. All of this is speculation of course but it does help to kill time while waiting...
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It wouldn't surprise me if the S55 is phased out altogether as the B58 has everything going for it,forged internals,closed deck,water to air intercooler etc. |
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BMW also ships engines out to their other plants. When I was at the Welt and took the tour we actually saw an M4 being produced and fitted with an engine. They even showed us a room which only housed engines I think (little fuzzy about this). The tour guide specifically told us that the Munich plant does not manufacture these engines and that they are pre-assembled before coming into Munich from Regensburg which he told us was close to Munich.
If we look at what's happening at Leipzig, it looks like the B58 was just added into that plant recently. I strongly believe that this was supposed to be the N55 replacement and the long term plan for the Leipzig plant is to produce just the B58 engine. The N55s that are being used on the existing M2s are probably the last few from the plant or are being assembled by a small %age of assembly stations at the plant. The M2 (Future variant or CS/CSL/GTS) is probably going to have the B58 or ship some S55s from the closest plant to Leipzig. We can speculate which one. From a tooling and production standpoint, it is very expensive to manufacture two separate engines from the base up. You could use delayed differentiation (toyota does this a a lot) to reduce the costs significantly but 2 completely different engines will be expensive. For Eg: Manufacturing an N55 and a modified N55 will be a lot cheaper than and N55 and B58. |
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