[stefan]

Originally Posted by ToucanLife

Dude, seriously? Read what you wrote again.

That is what I paid + HST. There is no a/c fee, freight, PDI, or admin fee on my invoice.

I was told by the same contact for this sale that the Comp would be 100+K if you wanted to skip the line and have the 2nd Comp - 90+ if you wanted to be back of the line - that is NOT with tax - the equivalent price to what I just posted.

I am not sure how you guys from out west think, but out here people don't talk after tax/fees when they buy cars - just like how auto-trader price is not with tax freight pdi etc etc etc.

I don't understand as we seem to be agreeing.

Out the door is out the door. I guess that's how I think out west. So that includes addons/obvious options/freight which is non-trivial etc. $90K out the door to me reads like $10K higher than probably what the base price is. If I'm MSRP'ing at $65,000 and taking it home at $75,000 then I'd say M2 Competition could easily be $75,000 and out the door at $90,000 after taxes and options. CCB alone will probably be $6K+. If this is what his dealer told him I think that's 100% reasonable if their dealer options the cars out. Some dealers even force options (i.e., MPE on early M2s)

I am saying $90K all in totally reasonable. Hell I even agree with you that it makes no sense to buy at that price but it wouldn't be the first time a high-end M made you second guess not jumping for a P car. A loaded M4 has me thinking the exact same thing.

[arwin]

I think some people have different understanding of *out the door* means. Lol.

Most take it to mean the total final price paid including all freight, PDI and taxes.

That invoice just shows the msrp - 1324....theres no mention of all the other fees plus taxes

[arwin]

Originally Posted by ToucanLife

Dude, seriously? Read what you wrote again.

That is what I paid + HST. There is no a/c fee, freight, PDI, or admin fee on my invoice after that number.

I was told by the same contact for this sale that the Comp would be 100+K if you wanted to skip the line and have the 2nd Comp as they could not bump the 1st for legal reasons - 90+ if you wanted to be back of the line - that is NOT with tax / pdi / freight - the equivalent price to what I just posted.

I am not sure how you guys from out west think, but out here people don't talk after tax/fees when they buy cars - just like how auto-trader price is not with tax freight pdi etc etc etc.

How did you manage no a/c, freight, PDI and admin fee?

Those can easily add on like 5k to the price. I wish I could've got that!

[Bobby P]

Originally Posted by arwin

How did you manage no a/c, freight, PDI and admin fee?

Those can easily add on like 5k to the price. I wish I could've got that!

Yeah Im wonderig the same thing!? Either out west or east everyone has to pay taxes. Even if you know the GM of the dealership - can't see how you can get around not paying taxes and PDI on a new car. Shipping a car across the ocean costs money and speaking of taxes - Albertans pay the lowest in Canada. I can see waiving Dealer fees or admin fee but how do you waive taxes!? These are dictated by govt...? Also, you got free shipping/handling in the car!? Someone has to pay for those costs. Usually, its the customer.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Bobby P

Yeah Im wonderig the same thing!? Either out west or east everyone has to pay taxes. Even if you know the GM of the dealership - can't see how you can get around not paying taxes and PDI on a new car. Shipping a car across the ocean costs money and speaking of taxes - Albertans pay the lowest in Canada. I can see waiving Dealer fees or admin fee but how do you waive taxes!? These are dictated by govt...? Also, you got free shipping/handling in the car!? Someone has to pay for those costs. Usually, its the customer.

Yeah this is why the ENTIRE invoice is needed to really understand what kind of deal you got. For example, some people get discounts on the car but then just pay more for freight and documentation fees. I negotiated my freight to about half off (yes it's negotiable), got MPE at cost (~$500 off), and about $1500 of stuff tossed in (mats, cargo, XPEL, etc.) but paid full MSRP. So in that sense I still walked away with a better deal overall and that's before tax. Dealers do all sorts of tricks like this to make you think you're coming out on top. Trade-in valuations are another great trick where you get an "awesome trade in value" but less of a discount on the actual car.

But to say someone paid exactly $0 worth of freight/PDI/admin/AC/tire/etc is a little crazy. Because to come at it from that perspective is to then, as I said, to effectively receive a $10K+ discount on a brand new M2 which is completely unheard of. With that sort of discount I imagine the dealer wouldn't be too pleased about the spreading of that information.

[Bobby P]

Originally Posted by stefan

Yeah this is why the ENTIRE invoice is needed to really understand what kind of deal you got. For example, some people get discounts on the car but then just pay more for freight and documentation fees. I negotiated my freight to about half off (yes it's negotiable), got MPE at cost (~$500 off), and about $1500 of stuff tossed in (mats, cargo, XPEL, etc.) but paid full MSRP. So in that sense I still walked away with a better deal overall and that's before tax. Dealers do all sorts of tricks like this to make you think you're coming out on top. Trade-in valuations are another great trick where you get an "awesome trade in value" but less of a discount on the actual car.

But to say someone paid exactly $0 worth of freight/PDI/admin/AC/tire/etc is a little crazy. Because to come at it from that perspective is to then, as I said, to effectively receive a $10K+ discount on a brand new M2 which is completely unheard of. With that sort of discount I imagine the dealer wouldn't be too pleased about the spreading of that information.

Yeah, agree
However, if buddy really did not pay any taxes or freight good for him...but can't see how he got around it....

Gst and Pst in ON is about 13% I think and in AB only 5% - so right of the bat theres our 8% discounts

[S1monQc]

I got 0 rebates except 15% off on all M Performance parts (dealer installed parts)

[dmboone25]

Now that we know the M2 Comp will have ///Mirrors....it's going to cost $65,000 USD for sure....

[Bobby P]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Now that we know the M2 Comp will have ///Mirrors....it's going to cost $65,000 USD for sure....

LOL, easily 65K - will people pay up though? In the US that's M3/M4 territory. Maybe BMW will increase the base price of the M3 by a few thousand to justify m2 comp starting price.

[Saphirschwarz]

Originally Posted by Bobby P

LOL, easily 65K - will people pay up though? In the US that's M3/M4 territory. Maybe BMW will increase the base price of the M3 by a few thousand to justify m2 comp starting price.

Well, of course !

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by Bobby P

LOL, easily 65K - will people pay up though? In the US that's M3/M4 territory. Maybe BMW will increase the base price of the M3 by a few thousand to justify m2 comp starting price.

Of course they will, now that the M3/4 is going out of production for a year or more and coming back with an S58. Al the more reason for them to "justify" a price increase.

Why would they want to keep offering the M2 as a great bang-for-the-buck car, when the popularity has been so unexpectedly high? Supply and demand. Or more precisely: Demand and Price...

Ironically, if they had listened to 1er and 1M enthusiasts in the first place, they shouldn't have been at all surprised by the M2's popularity, and they could have planned production to keep up with demand. But BMW tends to think that everyone wants a bland, numb, oversized "sports sedan", so they were caught flat-footed when the M2 took off.

[Bobby P]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

Of course they will, now that the M3/4 is going out of production for a year or more and coming back with an S58. Al the more reason for them to "justify" a price increase.

Why would they want to keep offering the M2 as a great bang-for-the-buck car, when the popularity has been so unexpectedly high? Supply and demand. Or more precisely: Demand and Price...

Ironically, if they had listened to 1er and 1M enthusiasts in the first place, they shouldn't have been at all surprised by the M2's popularity, and they could have planned production to keep up with demand. But BMW tends to think that everyone wants a bland, numb, oversized "sports sedan", so they were caught flat-footed when the M2 took off.

If it was my money - I would skip M2 comp/M3/M4 and wait two years for the S58 engine.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Bobby P

If it was my money - I would skip M2 comp/M3/M4 and wait two years for the S58 engine.

Who knows when that will make it's way into an M2. Might be a gap between EOP M2 S55 and whatever they do next. Also it's possible no MT option for that car, we won't know until then.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Bobby P

If it was my money - I would skip M2 comp/M3/M4 and wait two years for the S58 engine.

is it hypothetical when you are already doing it?

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by Bobby P

If it was my money - I would skip M2 comp/M3/M4 and wait two years for the S58 engine.

I am holding onto my M2 until the Mr.Fusion powered version comes out.

[Bobby P]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

is it hypothetical when you are already doing it?

I would love an m2 comp, but with your money.

[Bobby P]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

I am holding onto my M2 until the Mr.Fusion powered version comes out.

Wait until the electric powered M2 arrives. BMW would be silly not to engineer an S58 powered M2, I am sure they are aware of the N55 M2 success.

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by Bobby P

Wait until the electric powered M2 arrives. BMW would be silly not to engineer an S58 powered M2, I am sure they are aware of the N55 M2 success.

Never gonna happen. Would cannibalize M4 sales if the performance was too close. No. the M2 is getting the M4's hand-me-downs while the M4 gets the next new thing.
It will always be thus.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

Never gonna happen. Would cannibalize M4 sales if the performance was too close. No. the M2 is getting the M4's hand-me-downs while the M4 gets the next new thing.
It will always be thus.

+1 BMW is utilizing more and more M3/M4 pieces parts in the baby M.

1M- rear suspension and Diff

M2- full suspension and diff

M2 Competition - complete drivetrain from motor to diff , full suspension

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

+1 BMW is utilizing more and more M3/M4 pieces parts in the baby M.
1M- rear suspension and Diff
M2- full suspension and diff
M2 Competition - complete drivetrain from motor to diff , full suspension

So the M2 Competition is not a 'baby M4' but rather a 'youngster M4' or 'younger brother'.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by Artemis

So the M2 Competition is not a 'baby M4' but rather a 'youngster M4' or 'younger brother'.

The younger, more athletic brother.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

So the M2 Competition is not a 'baby M4' but rather a 'youngster M4' or 'younger brother'.

Frankenstein also could be an appropriate term.: M2 torso , M4 heart and we aren't sure yet where the brains are from.