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I'm sure the same will happen with the CS.I've got a deposit down and confirmed second on the list.I can pull out anytime for whatever reason before it goes to build,so no big deal. There's no way I'd entertain putting a deposit down with a dealer who had already taken 4/5 allocation deposits though.That will almost certainly lead to disappointment. |
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11-14-2016, 02:56 PM | #134 | |
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Oh yeah, I'm not going to try to argue that this system wouldn't work with a normal production car (M2) - you can still get them if you want to wait, not a hardship. Its limited run allocations with the potential for flipping, backstabbing and disappointment where it falls into questionable territory with dealers being disingenuous as to who stands a chance at getting one. Try playing the Porsche GT game in the Uk and you'll know what i mean. My view on it in this instance is: If the sole purpose were to show serious intent to purchase, the $1k figure that getting bandied about seems a bit pathetic in relation to the expected value of the vehicle; making it refundable if you change your mind nullifies the whole point in showing commitment. Even handing over a cash deposit is still an expression of interest (at the end of the day the car doesn’t even exist, although as you say, no smoke without fire....unless its a smoke machine). They have no obligation to sell and you have no obligation to buy. Any dealer wording the documentation otherwise would be foolish and i can’t see them confirming otherwise unless you are their No.1 customer. If the dealer can't supply the car, they would simply need to refund your money. The “first in line” stance: you’re relying on them being honourable. Yes, you could take them to court if they sold the allocation to someone else, but there is always a chance you’d lose - and lose a lot. Which just wouldn’t be a tenable position if you walked away just disappointed and not at a financial loss. Id love for people to get their allocations doing this if/when the car materialises, I'm just glass half empty on this approach from a consumer standpoint as i think it can be a set up for disappointment. That is all. Of course I'm sure the people doing this are fully aware of this potential and there is no big financial risk involved. Ive expressed my interest like many others, just without handing over any cash, at the dealership I've bought cars from. As to whether id be in a better position giving them money now i don't believe so. First world problems TL;DR - I don’t agree with the practice in this instance |
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11-14-2016, 04:46 PM | #135 | |
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You're implying that the logical way to go about doing this is to go into a dealership after the car is announced and try buying it then. In such a scenario, the dealership could still take your deposit and give it to someone else when your number comes up. Again, you go to court and end up losing. We're all functioning under an implied assumption that most of the dealerships that want to remain functional and profitable cannot go about doing this. If one of them did do it, I'd have 3-4 more who probably would not. |
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11-14-2016, 04:48 PM | #136 | |
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A deposit can be seen as a legal contract between purchaser and seller whereas an expression of interest by way of verbal acknowledgement could be construed either as a loose enquiry or even frippery,as a spur of the moment impetuous act. Under-selling somebody with a deposit is fraught with uncertainty now precedent has been set in law after Porsche had their fingers burnt and I imagine would have second thoughts to do this again[Maybe]. The recent example gives credence to this,seen here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news...-sold-his-car/ At least this is my view in the World of cars,my opinion being that I get a sense of a deal being made with money,a permanence that unfortunately just can't be achieved with a handshake anymore. Last edited by Nine Lives; 11-14-2016 at 04:54 PM.. |
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11-14-2016, 04:51 PM | #137 |
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Someone has probably mentioned it but the M4 GTS (in the UK certainly) was done on a ballot / selection process not an ordered queue.
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11-15-2016, 06:46 AM | #138 | ||
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http://www.ferdinandmagazine.com/uk-...s-court-battle That differs a bit from confirmation of being #1 on a waiting list. Subtleties can go a long way in allowing them a get out clause if that was the case, which i very well believe it to be. Seems a very pyrrhic victory in this instance and i would see it as more of a put off to pursue legal action than anything else. But I'm happy to agree to disagree. I just think this thread should represent both sides of the coin. |
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11-30-2016, 09:26 AM | #139 |
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Do you think the CS will be ballot selection or just wait list assuming a more hardcore CSL/GTS variant will be coming closer to 2 series production end ?
If wait list, I'm curious if dealers will include it in the M2 wait list or have a separate one. |
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11-30-2016, 10:02 AM | #140 | |
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I don't think for one moment that the M2 will be as exclusive as the M4 GTS as BMW need to sell 'em.I'm of the opinion it will be business as usual with wait lists,deposits and queues just like it is/was with the vanilla M2. The M2 CSL may well be another story though... |
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12-11-2016, 05:54 PM | #141 |
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I have the #1 spot at my dealer with a refundable deposit. Same thing I did to get my 1M - I told the dealer I want to be on the list for it and he said it doesn't exist. I said put me on the list - I'll take my chances.
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I checked with the dealer here and they have no information on the M2 CS and will not take any deposit until they have some sort of confirmation from BMW Germany.
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I don’t think a lot of people understand that. A dealer taking your money is not evidence or confirmation of a cars existence. The dealers take your money because it’s a hook to get your eventual business. |
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09-18-2017, 08:55 AM | #147 |
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In the US it works like that.
I’ve heard people put money down on the M2 GTS in the US “just in case”. The dealer loves holding your money. With the hopes that they’ll eventually get your business by way of flipping you on to another car or delivering the pipe dream. |
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09-18-2017, 05:01 PM | #148 |
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So I called two dealers in my area and both of them are willing to take a deposit.
Dealership A has 5 people in line and Dealership B just started there list so I'll be one of the first in line. How would I know which dealer to leave my deposit with so I can secure the car? |
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Production volume along with that store's M sales are going to influence how many allocations they will get.
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09-18-2017, 09:36 PM | #152 |
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I didn't think it's possible to drop out of a dealership once you leave a deposit...although it would be nice to have more options.
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09-18-2017, 09:45 PM | #153 | ||
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In 2011 out of 740 US cars we received allocation for 3 1M's. (None of which are my car). People keep tossing around this 1,000 units number which I just frankly don't believe if that's supposed to be world wide. I'd think they'd have to do more than that, right? 1,000 US units makes more sense.
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09-18-2017, 10:17 PM | #154 |
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Has your dealership heard anything about this ?. I was under the assumption that this is the type of information that will be made available to all dealerships.
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