[RWDaniel]

Hi everyone,
I have found an M2 OG LCI with a 67 plate and just over 8k miles.
The dealer is asking around £28.5k, however, I reckon they are willing to negotiate.
The car is in very good condition and I cannot find anything with that mileage at that price.
Do you guys think it's a good deal?
Thanks

[Philly_sweden]

I would say its a bargain but if its RHD the prices are generally low

When I had my Z4M coupes the prices were double in Sweden vs England

[RWDaniel]

It is a UK car and RHD

[Andrew2]

Not at a BMW dealer then, how good is the warranty package compared to that of a BMW Insured Comprehensive policy (expensive but can be reduced via an excess)

In an ideal world a car with more consistent mileage may be better ? but then mine was not quite that when purchased from BMW at a higher price sixteen months ago

NB : If you are tall, the electric seats sit higher than the manual version

Hope that it works out for you

[RWDaniel]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

Not at a BMW dealer then, how good is the warranty package compared to that of a BMW Insured Comprehensive policy (expensive but can be reduced via an excess)

In an ideal world a car with more consistent mileage may be better ? but then mine was not quite that when purchased from BMW at a higher price sixteen months ago

NB : If you are tall, the electric seats sit higher than the manual version

Hope that it works out for you

Do you mean that because is sold by a dealer is not such a good deal?
Moreover, what could be the downsides of a lower mileage aside from the potential dried out rubber seals and gasket?

Please see link below to get more info about the car.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311244264042

Thanks for your help
Dan

[timchump]

Looks a bargain

Do a car vertical check first, and possibly get a professional inspection done

One reason it could have lower mileage is it has been off the road being repaired

I had a car insurance company register on a hpi check even though it wasn’t a category car if that makes sense

[Andrew2]

Originally Posted by RWDaniel

Do you mean that because is sold by a dealer is not such a good deal?
Moreover, what could be the downsides of a lower mileage aside from the potential dried out rubber seals and gasket?

Please see link below to get more info about the car.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311244264042

Thanks for your help
Dan

Hi Dan

No - just that the selling non BMW dealer checks may not be as thorough as that of a BMW dealer plus not sure if they can read the car`s key for it`s complete history and what it may require now. Although the photos of the service schedule look promising

A car that has a more consistent usage - mileage may show up faults earlier than those little used. Have you checked the MOT history and recalls on the DVLA MOT site ?

I did find the car prior to my initial reply, I`m no expert - just my thoughts for consideration

As noted by your other contributor, get it thoroughly checked - inspected

[RWDaniel]

Thanks everyone for your help.
I do apologise in advance for the dumb question, but how do I get it professionally checked?
In the meantime I'll check the DVLA website.
I am getting a bit suspicious now...stupidly enough I thought it was a good deal.

[Andrew2]

Don`t let me put you off, just go through a process that you are happy with - what`s your impression of the seller and their facilities ?

Look up providers for pre - purchase inspections / vehicle inspections

Ask the seller if they will put it through a BMW dealer for MOT / Inspection - to gauge their reaction

It looks to have had two owners ? , a garage queen initially then some decent use in the last three years

Follow timchump`s advice on a Car Vertical check

[RWDaniel]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

Don`t let me put you off, just go through a process that you are happy with - what`s your impression of the seller and their facilities ?

Look up providers for pre - purchase inspections / vehicle inspections

Ask the seller if they will put it through a BMW dealer for MOT / Inspection - to gauge their reaction

It looks to have had two owners ? , a garage queen initially then some decent use in the last three years

Follow timchump`s advice on a Car Vertical check

Many thanks!
Here is the link to the DVLA MOT and recall check
https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk...ckRecalls=true

[Andrew2]

A new set of BMW * rated tyres then, if not already ...

[RWDaniel]

Please see below the message I got from the dealer when asking about the car's history.

I wouldn't be able to really comment on the previous use by the owners as it was traded into one of our Audi dealerships within our group so we had no dealings. The vehicle has checks with both HPI and Motor check before we accept into stock and neither was showing any recorded or un recorded damage. The vehicle has under gone an inspection in our workshop and no issues have been identified.

[Andrew2]

Hello Dan ...

It would be best if you go see - drive and speak with them

[RWDaniel]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

Hello Dan ...

It would be best if you go see - drive and speak with them

Good call, Andrew! Thanks for helping out

[Shueb]

A bit late seeing this but here's my take on it (Manual M2 owner of about 2 years now).

Looks like a decent deal tbh - just checked the valuations on What Car - it's actually cheaper than what they valuing (nothing bad - could be just they don't want to hold onto it for long - as they look like they hold a lot of stock)

See attached valuations.

I've just a careful look at the pictures of car.

So a few things - and I'm being very picky here. Judge based on seeing car, and see what Reciepts etc (history of work done to car if available). Don't let my comments put you off. Test drive the car properly - not just round the block).

I prefer buying either privately OR direct from BMW approved dealership - purely due to the nature of an M car vs non M cars.

Anyway see below.

1. iDrive - The M badge on iDrive knob - not original. Means previous owner may have modified other things too. Also you should be able to write letters using top of the iDrive dial - this might be disabled because of the dial. So check that. Personally this item would put me off buying it - I know sounds over the top, but for me it's tacky. And especially wouldn't buy if it means some of the functionality of the original iDrive dial is missing (be it a function that most people might not use anyway)

2. The service history looks slightly unusual - but saying this - everyone owns cars differently. I am personally more picky with the history as opposed to cosmetic condition.

The last two services have an ORANGE OK - the you looks at the car, click on that service item and see what info comes up. Orange usually indicates something needs doing or fixing (but not urgently - so just investigate that a little). It should list anything that wasn't fixed during that service, or highlight what was done.


3. There's a second service at 274 miles - click on it and check what that is about - usually M cars have their running in service at 1000k miles (which is has - but normally car wouldn't need a service after 200 miles)

4. Just double check the start stop button is same as other LCI models - something looks off (compared to my OG - but it could be that the LCI's got the surround updated) - or maybe previous owner put aftermarket surround on it.

5. Brakes - the front discs thats on the pic - looks slightly scored (could be just pic or lack of use... but make sure the car doesn't judder on hard braking. New discs are expensive (looking at around £1500 if you replaced all of them). you shouldn't need to judging on mileage but something to be aware off.

Other than above I can't see anything else out of the ordinary. Car cosmetically looks fantastic from pics. Mileage isn't everything. But if the above checks out - you could be looking at putting 20k miles on the car, and barely loosing any money on it.

the above things I've highlighted could also be the reason why its underpriced based on valuations.

Good luck either way - and shout if you have any other questions.

[RWDaniel]

Originally Posted by Shueb

A bit late seeing this but here's my take on it (Manual M2 owner of about 2 years now).

Looks like a decent deal tbh - just checked the valuations on What Car - it's actually cheaper than what they valuing (nothing bad - could be just they don't want to hold onto it for long - as they look like they hold a lot of stock)

See attached valuations.

I've just a careful look at the pictures of car.

So a few things - and I'm being very picky here. Judge based on seeing car, and see what Reciepts etc (history of work done to car if available). Don't let my comments put you off. Test drive the car properly - not just round the block).

I prefer buying either privately OR direct from BMW approved dealership - purely due to the nature of an M car vs non M cars.

Anyway see below.

1. iDrive - The M badge on iDrive knob - not original. Means previous owner may have modified other things too. Also you should be able to write letters using top of the iDrive dial - this might be disabled because of the dial. So check that. Personally this item would put me off buying it - I know sounds over the top, but for me it's tacky. And especially wouldn't buy if it means some of the functionality of the original iDrive dial is missing (be it a function that most people might not use anyway)

2. The service history looks slightly unusual - but saying this - everyone owns cars differently. I am personally more picky with the history as opposed to cosmetic condition.

The last two services have an ORANGE OK - the you looks at the car, click on that service item and see what info comes up. Orange usually indicates something needs doing or fixing (but not urgently - so just investigate that a little). It should list anything that wasn't fixed during that service, or highlight what was done.


3. There's a second service at 274 miles - click on it and check what that is about - usually M cars have their running in service at 1000k miles (which is has - but normally car wouldn't need a service after 200 miles)

4. Just double check the start stop button is same as other LCI models - something looks off (compared to my OG - but it could be that the LCI's got the surround updated) - or maybe previous owner put aftermarket surround on it.

5. Brakes - the front discs thats on the pic - looks slightly scored (could be just pic or lack of use... but make sure the car doesn't judder on hard braking. New discs are expensive (looking at around £1500 if you replaced all of them). you shouldn't need to judging on mileage but something to be aware off.

Other than above I can't see anything else out of the ordinary. Car cosmetically looks fantastic from pics. Mileage isn't everything. But if the above checks out - you could be looking at putting 20k miles on the car, and barely loosing any money on it.

the above things I've highlighted could also be the reason why its underpriced based on valuations.

Good luck either way - and shout if you have any other questions.

Amazing Shueb, you have been beyond helpful. I will take everything you said on board and keep you posted.
Once again, thank you!
By the way, this is another one I have just found from my local BMW dealer.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311294393645

[Andrew2]

Excellent info. Shueb ... thank you

Dan ... the Sytner car is the same colour - better spec. - cheaper than mine when I purchased sixteen months ago when at 19k miles

You`ll get a year`s comprehensive warranty & assistance that is worth ~ £1500

If you want GAP insurance you can find it cheaper elsewhere

[RWDaniel]

Originally Posted by Andrew2

Excellent info. Shueb ... thank you

Dan ... the Sytner car is the same colour - better spec. - cheaper than mine when I purchased sixteen months ago when at 19k miles

You`ll get a year`s comprehensive warranty & assistance that is worth ~ £1500

If you want GAP insurance you can find it cheaper elsewhere

Sounds like a good deal then. Thanks!

[RWDaniel]

Please see below the answers from the dealer.

1. iDrive - The M badge on iDrive knob - not original. Means previous owner may have modified other things too. Also you should be able to write letters using top of the iDrive dial - this might be disabled because of the dial - is this the case? - It looks as though you are right, it has a cover on the dial with the badge. I have tried to function for writing letters on the nav, it does pick up some of the movement but not very much at all. ( wouldn't be usable) this is clearly down to the badge stuck on over the top of it.

2. The last two services have an ORANGE OK. Orange usually indicates something needs doing or fixing (but not urgently). It should list anything that wasn't fixed during that service, or highlight what was done. - Orange means the service was carried out late, from memory one was 11 months late and the other was 5 months late.

3. There's a second service at 274 miles - usually M cars have their running in service at 1000k miles (which is has - but normally car wouldn't need a service after 200 miles) - The service at 274 miles was also a running in service. Looks as though it had been done twice. I could only assume as it was done early, they decided to have it done again on time.

4. The start stop button doesn't look the same as other LCI models - maybe previous owner put aftermarket surround on it. - It could well be aftermarket, I can't tell myself.

5. Brakes - the front discs that is on the pic looks slightly scored (could be just pic or lack of use... I want to be sure the car doesn't judder on hard braking. - Brakes will have been inspected as part of our used car check and preparation. The workshop had no concerns over the condition of the brakes.

The vehicle comes with a 3 months RAC Warranty this can be extended if you wish to the below.

12 months - £249
24 months - £399
36 months - £499

The vehicle does not go through a BMW style inspection. It goes through our comprehensive used car program checks to make sure it is safe and road legal undertaken by our technicians in our Mercedes-Benz workshop. This is all reflected in the price of the vehicle, should it be at a BMW dealership or prepared to the BMW standards we would be asking a higher price for the vehicle.

[Shueb]

Originally Posted by RWDaniel

Amazing Shueb, you have been beyond helpful. I will take everything you said on board and keep you posted.
Once again, thank you!
By the way, this is another one I have just found from my local BMW dealer.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311294393645

yeh for me if you're not fussed about having a white M2 - then this is probably a better version - looks bang on from pics, and it's Sytner (love em or hate em) - so they'll have a higher level of approval etc vs a car supermarket.

All depends what you prefer more - would you rather have what I assume is a perfect car from sytner but in wrong colour (assuming you prefer white), or the right colour car, but with a few things thats aren't perfect. Personally I'd wait if the right car is neither... I ended up waiting 6 months to get the near perfect car, 1 owner, Manual M2 in grey, low mileage, with perfect history. But now new M2 is about - there's plenty of people wanting to sell theirs, so might be worth waiting.

Would say - the white M2s are rarer vs the blue - so in my opinion worth a tiny bit more. See below:

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1404565

lastly in terms of warranty - so in my ownership, the two things thats so far needs fixing is passenger door look being a bit temperamental, which I've not yet fixed, and diff leak (pretty common thing from what I've read). thats in 18 months ownership - and doing 25,000 miles. This diff leak fix cost me 300 ish from an BMW specialist and the lock - not fixed yet, but imagine around another £300.

I lean towards buying privately anyway - so no warranty on mine.

[Shueb]

Also in response to the dealers replies.

1. yeh if you were to remove that stick-on - question is would it damage the functionality (as its a touch based tech) - I dont know - could be fine, or could be one of things that become temperamental.

2. not a major deal, especially as it sounds like not many miles driven anyway. I guess more important when and if you ever sold the car on, obviously a car with on-time service would be better than slightly late service.

3. this is a bit of a flag for me - as M cars use a different weight / type of engine oil for the first 1000 miles of running in. So for me it's odd - for driver to take it in for a service after 200 miles, as they'd wait to change the oil out to the standard oil (not sure what type) after a 1000 miles (not sooner or later). Most people would probably just ignore tho this.

4. No biggie

5. yeh fine too, just make sure you test drive and ensure braking hardish are free of judder.

The main thing is plenty of DCTs up for sale, so if you're in doubt, just wait and the right car will come along.

[RWDaniel]

Many thanks for your help guys, this is certainly an amazing forum!
I think I am leaning towards waiting for something out of a BMW dealer just to have a bit more peace of mind, if it makes sense.
I shall keep you posted!