[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by Davil

So I did a cleaning session on my GC8 WRX yesterday and went for a drive. That car is 1240kg (2728lbs).

That made me think. My M2CS is roughly 310kg (680lbs) heavier. My Aston is roughly 340kg (748lbs) heavier. The G87 is roughly 490kg (1078lbs) heavier. I’m so used to the faster cars that it felt like I was breaking every rule in the book just by driving at the speed limit. It was so much fun.

This presents a paradox to the person that gets joy from driving. Cars are getting easier and easier to drive faster and faster. To get any reward you have to break laws.

There is still joy in my fast cars at sensible speeds though. You feel stuff. Bumps, vibrations, feedback. You simply don’t get that in the G series. They feel like a mind controlled hovercraft. Progress?

Requisite photo.

Agree with all of the above.

And what a sweet looking Subie!

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by DanG

I test drove a G87 and had the same feeling.

Tell us more about your G87 M2 experience Dan.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Tell us more about your G87 M2 experience Dan.

I think it has been explained pretty well. It has been several months since I drove the G87. It was an auto demo that wasn't broken in yet. The G87 felt bigger, heavier and had numb steering. The auto shift wasn't as crisp as my DCT. It definitely wasn't lacking power.

I got to drive the G87 on city streets, the freeway, and sone twisties on Mercer Island. I definitely would prefer it over a G series M3 or M4. But I preferred the handling and style of my F87.

Dan

[ericlr1225]

"Flying brick" Just heard this nickname from a mechanic today. LOL
If someone really wanna own one of these, black paint is the only option cuz it hides all incomplete design. Awkward body lines disappear from certain angle if it's black. And people putting carbons on this car would be like stack patches on an accident car. More distance more hilarious it looks. But I have to admit, S58 indeed is a beast, and interior/seats are truly upgraded.

[philth]

Originally Posted by DanG

But I preferred the handling and style of my F87.

Dan

First time I’m seeing the MPerf bits…. And holy hell are they ever bad. Yikes. Looks like something you’d find at Canadian Tire/Pep Boys. Especially the side panel. Whoa. Can not unsee.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by philth

First time I’m seeing the MPerf bits…. And holy hell are they ever bad. Yikes. Looks like something you’d find at Canadian Tire/Pep Boys. Especially the side panel. Whoa. Can not unsee.

They're Pep Boys fitment as well.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by philth

First time I’m seeing the MPerf bits…. And holy hell are they ever bad. Yikes. Looks like something you’d find at Canadian Tire/Pep Boys. Especially the side panel. Whoa. Can not unsee.

I am frankly shocked that anyone likes how these MPerf add ons look. It really confuses me.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by M3R1

I am frankly shocked that anyone likes how these MPerf add ons look. It really confuses me.

I agree. The M Performance carbon bits are terrible on the G87. They are actually worse in person than my photo shows.

[ericlr1225]

Maxton did a really good job to save the look. Cost 1/5 of M carbon. But again, It's painted in black
"What's going on with BMW's design team?! LOL"
It feels like they did it on purpose to mess up with something.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by M3R1

I am frankly shocked that anyone likes how these MPerf add ons look. It really confuses me.

The G87 is terrible, as are the add-on's, but it's easy to trick the eye and mind, and that's what you're missing. It's also the "I'm bigger, I'm new, I'm different" disease.

Take a few pictures at just the right angle, in just the right light, with just the right wheels....and viola!

Nothing can save that car, but it's possible to HIDE its terribleness with the right tools.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

The G87 is terrible, as are the add-on's, but it's easy to trick the eye and mind, and that's what you're missing. It's also the "I'm bigger, I'm new, I'm different" disease.

Take a few pictures at just the right angle, in just the right light, with just the right wheels....and viola!

Nothing can save that car, but it's possible to HIDE its terribleness with the right tools.

Black is the only color that works on the G87. Add a front lip to tie together the open space that BMW forgot to connect, a rear lip to extend the deck lid and proper offsets (either big spacers or correct fitment aftermarket wheels) and you have a bad ass car. Drop a tune on that S58 and you have a real monster. I would rock a black one with all of the mods I listed above... I'll probably keep my current car though...

I was at MPACT this year and there were many G87's. All of the modded black cars actually looked great. The same mods on all of the other colors did not.

[imperfectluck]

Originally Posted by M3R1

Black is the only color that works on the G87.
I was at MPACT this year and there were many G87's. All of the modded black cars actually looked great. The same mods on all of the other colors did not.

I like to tell myself a good car will look good in some colors and a great car will look great in any color.

Black’s job is to absorb light hence hiding the details which we’re trying to appreciate so we’re left with the overall shape of the vehicle with less sense of its dimensions.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by imperfectluck

I like to tell myself a good car will look good in some colors and a great car will look great in any color.

Black’s job is to absorb light hence hiding the details which we’re trying to appreciate so we’re left with the overall shape of the vehicle with less sense of its dimensions.

I agree with you 100%. The car has some weird design ques that need to be minimized (or hidden), hence the reason the black works.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by M3R1

I agree with you 100%. The car has some weird design ques that need to be minimized (or hidden), hence the reason the black works.

Hmm. Even in black it is still pretty ugly.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by DanG

Hmm. Even in black it is still pretty ugly.

It is so hard to provide evidence that supports the FEW cars that looked good a MPACT. I can't find any pics that capture what I saw.

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

The G87 is terrible, as are the add-on's, but it's easy to trick the eye and mind, and that's what you're missing. It's also the "I'm bigger, I'm new, I'm different" disease.

Take a few pictures at just the right angle, in just the right light, with just the right wheels....and viola!

Nothing can save that car, but it's possible to HIDE its terribleness with the right tools.

This might be the best pic that captures what I saw. Needs a front lip though..

[donkey]

Originally Posted by M3R1

It is so hard to provide evidence that supports the FEW cars that looked good a MPACT. I can't find any pics that capture what I saw.

I was at MPACT too, there were a few good looking ones but I was still happy to drive away in my F87.

The G80/G82 grew on me a lot more than the G87.

[///MPhatic]

Originally Posted by donkey

I was at MPACT too, there were a few good looking ones but I was still happy to drive away in my F87.

The G80/G82 grew on me a lot more than the G87.

That's because the imbalance is just the nose. It's not that it's even that bad, it's just not balanced with the rest of the car. The G87 is a more balanced car, it's terrible in the front and the rear. lol

I do like the rear flares of the G87 from certain angles, but from other angles they just look added on, not so flowing like that of the F87.

[F87Tomei]

Originally Posted by philth

First time I’m seeing the MPerf bits…. And holy hell are they ever bad. Yikes. Looks like something you’d find at Canadian Tire/Pep Boys. Especially the side panel. Whoa. Can not unsee.

Looks like the type of parts you can get from an autozone in the accessory aisle next to the stick on hood scoop.

[13ENZO]

when i collected my black F87 it was side by side with a black G87, no doubt i will still pick F87 any day, G87 interior is very nice though.

[Andrew2]

Test drove a manual a few months back, an hour`s run on country roads ... not impressed

My measure of a `good` car is one that immediately `feels right` and this did not - in any of it`s modes

In comparison, my first drive in the F87 OG DCT a year earlier was immediately rewarding, even at slow speeds - edgy with decent feel and well placed / functional controls

Granted, the new car was a dealer demo. with low miles and I was ignorant of the new digital layout - functionality ... having to stop to manage some basic function control changes, is there a voice command system to e.g. adjust heater functionality ?

I was left with the impression that the Auto. Box would be more suited to the car`s character - being that the car is too heavy and complicated with too much power and insufficient `feel`