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Congrats OP! I was looking at a GT4 before getting my 991C4S. The experience in the GT4 is incredible! Ultimately I decided against it since it would be too difficult for me to drive it without making every drive into a big production: what entrance to use on the parking lots, are there speed bumps, are there any steep areas, etc. I really wanted the GT4 especially for the money but couldn't imagine enjoying it long term due to all of the constraints while driving it on the street. Now if it had front axle lift, I would be driving one right now.
Enjoy it while you have it, and enjoy it while you are selling/ trading it in for little to no loss. Depending the mileage and how it is spec'd, you may even make money on it down the line.
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Chris Harris reviews the BMW 1M ( $46-53K) vs Porsche Cayman R ( $67K) - Over $15K between the pair.. http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=541960 BMW M2 -52K vs 918 Cayman 55K BMW M2 ZL9 $62K vs 918 Cayman S $68K BMW M2 CS $ ?? vs 918 Cayman GTS $80K BMW M2 CSK $ ?? vs Cayman GT4 $ ?? As one can see.. while both models will be pricier as you go up the line.. the pricing of the Porsche models gets further ahead of the BMW at each position. Even if the CS comes in at $70K... it will be 10K less than the GTS.. I FULLY expect the M2 CSL to undercut the GT4 by at least 10K. I also fully expect that the absolute performance of the 981 GT4 will likely be better than the M2 CSL (in the same way the M4 GTS didn't out perform the 911 GT3 ) and I am perfectly ok with that. I don't buy BMWs because of how they fare against a Porsche. I buy BMWs because they are a great performance value and generally more in tune with my style of usage. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 10-20-2017 at 08:40 PM.. |
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They would need to take like 500-600 lbs out of the M2 for it to be ANYWHERE near the GT4...and that's just not happening for the BMW market or assembly line
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The delta isn't that great when looking at cost of brakes/tires between the M2 and the C-GT4 |
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10-20-2017, 10:35 PM | #93 | |
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Most of the GT4s are still $100k+ (with relatively decent options) These are the first four I found on Rennlist: https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...i-upgrade.html https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...ayman-gt4.html https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...clear-bra.html https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...c-gt4-lwb.html ($100 under $100K) |
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Brakes, tyres will almost be the same...the price difference is parts and labour.
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I also think that the M2 CSL will be better in absolute performance when compared with the 981 GT4. We can have a bet on that. I am saying it won’t be better than the 718 GT4 which would also be out around the same time. If the price of the M2 CSL is similar to a GT4, I would expect the performance to also be comparable or better. BMW could do it but won’t to not tread on the M4 GTS which is my main pain point. If they did and the price is around the 80k mark, I will most definitely be buying one myself but somehiw I do not see that happening. The M4 GTS is about 8K cheaper than a GT3 which is why it gets compared to that car and fails a lot. |
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People lined up and paid way over MSRP for the M4GTS when it was released so they will line up and pay for the M2CS. Also I will assume it will not perform monetarily higher just like the GTS did not. Sometimes i think BMW just does it for the group that wants something no one else has or is very limited.......they will pay, and pay, and pay
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Because I bought a 911 GTS in the past, I've been promised (we will see what actually happens) a spot at the top of my old dealer's list for the next GT4 without any mark up. The first gen GT4 was priced around $85K before add ons....... for most people configuring their cars, that came out to somewhere between $90-100K. Granted, you can add a lot more and have the sticker be closer to $102-105K as well. |
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I could be off on that number, but that is what I was told a year before it was released. If the next gen GT4 is also made in limited production, I doubt either the GT4 or Spyder will go down much in value. They are PHENOMENAL pure driving cars, and I disagree with the poster above who says that many on Rennlist talk about how Porsche is holding the GT4 back relative the 911. That was true for a while with the base Cayman and Cayman S, but not with this car. Plus, they are very different cars now. The newer 991's are more like GT cars c/w with the 997's and I know plenty of enthusiasts who actually prefer almost any iteration of the mid engine porsche vs the 911, myself included. I've owned both a 987 Cayman S and a 997.2 GTS and while I loved my GTS, I think I actually had more fun in my Cayman on most days. Granted, that's in large part due to my driving skill. I think a better, more experienced track driver would have gotten a lot more out of my GTS than I ever could have |
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10-24-2017, 07:42 AM | #103 |
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In Europe the GT4 prices are slightly coming down...don't know about the US.
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Not sure about the GT4 RS. Will definitely be a GT4.
The whole GT4 RS rumor started based on an Australian Porsche employee's post which has already been proven wrong based on the timeline. Then magazines like even motortrend started posting old spy shots of the 981 GT4 being tested and called it the 718 GT4 RS. I believe this is what led to everyone thinking that the next GT4 version will be an RS. There could still be an RS but it will not be due to all the rumors we've seen so far. |
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Well I just set up a meeting with local Porsche SA to talk about the new 911 Carrera T - seems like a great package and shows that P is listening to people (weight loss is marginal, but the rest is awesome).
- It has less sound deadening - Short shifter and 7sp manual with shorter ratios - thinner rear glass - pse standard - sport chrono mode selector standard - optional lwbs - optional rws - rear seat delete - pcm delete - sport pasm - special trim - ptv with mech diff standard Even in communication they say it's not for collectors but for drivers, not for garages but for back roads. I know it's marketing but it ticks all my boxes as no other car right now. https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-carrera-t/ Last edited by Benef1cient; 10-27-2017 at 04:23 AM.. |
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