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You cannot separate the cylinder count from the "feel" of the car. If you can, then you are a soulless driver and should get over to porsche asap where you can discuss track times and corner balancing ad nauseum. Weren't you the one who said the c63s felt like a super car vs the m2 felt more nimble. You sure the cylinder count didn't contribute to those "feelings" you yourself put out there? Again not arguing what's "better", there are too many factors to even get into that. I'll let the stick up their ass porsche drivers solve that one. I'm saying that I would probably never pay more then 40-50k for a car with a 4 cyl engine.
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Stop intellectualizing Alex... you are making too much DAMN SENSE!
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and yet oddly.. some people CAN wrap their head around spending 100K for a car that has ZERO cylinders and sounds like it has NO motor.. .. yes indeed... one day.. ENGINES will be missed..
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Is there going to be an aftermarket soundtrack business for the next generation of, "hummers?" Make sound samples of flat 6 motors and recycle them? Or will we just be a generation of old geezers "that remember" making car noises as we drive around our 21st century E-cars.
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The Boxster and Cayman should be BMW's target not the TT and SLC in my view, but they must have a reason for aiming lower. |
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So many people bashing Porsche for charging 80k for a flat 4 while BMW wants you to pay $130k for a 3cyl.
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Yep, The car I buy this year will my last pure IC car (well, street car anyway)... After this, I think I'll get a Tesla, i3 or used i8 or something. Tried to get an M2, but not gonna wait forever. was hoping to take ED in June, but that's not happening. I like the Cayman, but the older ones are too slow and the new ones not a good value. They should be comparing the M2 to the base Cayman with no options to make that fair. M2 is a much better value. If I can't get an M2, I'm gonna try for a decent used R8. Almost got one this week, but somebody beat me to it.
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No doubt the Cayman is the better car here, but also costs more. The M2 is impressive, but mid-engine Cayman is much more fun to drive IMO. I have not yet driven the 4-cylinder but Porsche is such a great car maker. Bottom line is buy the M2 if you can't afford a Porsche.
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I looked in to both, then bought a Mustang GT 350 for 61k! Pretty amazing car, and I'm coming from last 3 generations of M3. Probably more of an M4 and 911 competitor, but based on price a consideration
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Something exotic which people aspire to... Even Chevy has the Z06, that while not a six figure priced car, the performance is legendary. And that ZR1 will be lunacy.... The M4 GTS and i8 are there, and I'm not knocking them (ok, maybe a little), but it doesn't speak to you like an R8 or Ford GT or AMG GTR or NSX or 918 (obviously). I understand I may be taking out of my ass, but c'mon BMW, shock the automotive world or something. The current M lineup is good, but it's what is expected of BMW and nothing more. The M2 is getting universal praise...great car. But now come out with an M2 version which makes people go You know how a performance car garners total respect? When people who hate a particular brand even say, "OK, I don't like Porsche, but I really, really want that GT4RS!" BMW needs THAT kind of car. (Sorry for rant...been having a couple of DIPA) |
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^^^yep. Something that epitomizes the best of the brand. They don't have anything like that.
But they've got the minivan tourer thing lol PS - GM went to shit when they tried to be good at everything...and instead we're good at nothing. They had no identity. BMW, on a smaller scale, could see the same sort of result. I got my first E92 328i because my dad had a E46 328 that was the business. I left the brand because that "it" and excitement just wasn't there in normal cars like the 235. It had become soft and squishy and boring. You don't need a sub 4 second 0-60 car to have great DNA and excitement. That's what P cars have in spades.
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Quote of segment right at the end after they both say they are having great fun...'ya, but I still have 25 grand!' say the BMW driver.
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I've driven several examples of the 718 2.0 and 2.5, while I've driven older boxters and the odd 911.
The ride and and handling is really quite something. The engine meanwhile will batter the redline and it makes a few pops and bangs whilst sounding sporting. Has plenty of performance through the revs. Made my mind up before all the reviews came out hating the sound but what modern engine from last 3-4 years actually sounds that good? It's not like a 4-cyl can't sound good. I love the racket my R50 Cooper makes. Not as exotic but still brings a smile. Anyway ended up convincing my other half to get one. Final price would upset a few on here but to get the creature and performance options adds a fair bit. I wonder if the noise will develop like my 1M. That sounds far more characterful than when it was new. |
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Music please!
RS3 AMG Yes the A45 BMW N55B30TO 981 GTS E63 AMG And Ford Mustang GT350 991.2 Carrera S 340i with MPPK the 781 is just OK Alfa Romeo 4C Dodge Hellcat and 1LE Viper and Evora and many a Ferrari Even a Mustang GT Or AMG C63 And nothing rhymes with quadrifoglio |
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