09-19-2015, 08:11 PM | #23 |
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A picture was posted on a previous thread showing the M2 test Mule having a M4 Diff and possibly the same Suspension as M4.
That being said, I would like a Full Dyno run of the Dinan programmed cars to see if they reach the claimed numbers you have posted in the OP. Working for BMW as a technician here in Edmonton, I have installed a fair bit of Dinan software on M235i, M4 and Even a M6 From my personal experience... Dinan software is very conservative and was not overly impressed. |
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09-19-2015, 10:41 PM | #25 |
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Ok so this comment is based on my flat mate owning a 1M and me owning a M235i... The M2 will be a very track focused car... Track performance will be light and day better... The car will have a harsher ride... In my opinion it's not even about whether one car is "better" than the other... As I think they serve a different purpose.
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09-19-2015, 11:24 PM | #28 |
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Completely disagree. If you are talking about GTS/CSL models, I absolutely agree. But the normal M car is absolutely born to be a daily driver and fun car all in one, apart from maybe the M Coupes and Roadsters
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09-20-2015, 07:38 AM | #30 |
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The answers to the questions of comparing each of the configurations listed by the OP will come in time.
Once an M2 is available. From what I recall, BMW has been using the M235i racing program and another set of data testing M2 mules to extract speed and performance from the new M2 package. Dinan is adding power to the engine. And we all know that goes only so far. Hence, the feel, the enjoyment and the performance will each be at different levels. An M car is always going to have that Motorsport something or another that just delivers. Kind of like a great dancer or boxer can beat a great athlete who lacks the talent but perhaps has the training. An S engine or not under the hood will not eliminate the Motorsport qualities in the M2. Instead, weight, suspension, brakes, differential and all the setup magic from the M group will make the M2 a different car. If the latter were not true, then the M2 badge would be only a name glued to the body of the car. OP, if you want to have an M235i and may sell it in a couple of years then it makes a lot of sense to buy it, tune it and then test the M2 in a year or two. And if you like it more then make the switch. |
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Most of us previous and current M owners will agree that not having an "S" under the hood is a big hole in this offering... Will it still be fun? Adored by the rags? Probably...but it is an M235i tweaked with a few M parts at the end of the day. Sounds like this generations 1m? Not a bad offering either - but even that had an "S" under the hood...
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The I recalled incorrectly...My apologies. So then the M2 is very much the same approach as the 1m..
Certainly not a bad place to be...Not sure it will have the delta to the M235i that will get me to buy it down the road? We'll see...
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It's not just an M235i with M4 components and a tweeked suspension.... But if saying that makes you feel better about your M235i... Then go ahead and believe that |
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Isn't so much of the "warrant" going to depend on the msrp? Which, and you may want to be seated for this one, we don't know yet!
So I will say again, it is worthless to have this conversation yet. |
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09-20-2015, 11:41 AM | #41 | |
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I never said that the M2 will be the better buy for everyone... I may have not been clear enough. Understand what I'm saying now? |
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09-20-2015, 12:03 PM | #42 |
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Hypothesis 1: engine failure. Who do you prefer to talk to, when hoping to get things sorted out without being required to jump through too many hoops if repairs risk to be expensive: BMW or Dinan ? Not gonna discredit Dinan's warranty and assistance, but, as a matter of fact, BMW got deeper pockets and more staff available.
Hypothesis 2: resale day. As we know, a car is almost never a good financial investment (it's rather a good 'fun investment'), but what do you prefer to sell, when hoping to get back a decent part of all the monies spent: an M2 or a Dinan tuned M235i/M240i ? In the end, the choice is personal. Having peace of mind is also an asset. Choose what floats your boat best, now and in the future. Personally, I prefer the M2. An M2 will always be an M2, no matter what car blows it out of the water in terms of performance, weight, price, etc. We may trust that the folks at BMW M know their business. They won't sign off the final version after extensive testing and tweaking, if it doesn't meet yet their pretty high engineering standards (their only battle is with the bean counters). Don't lose out of sight that BMW M also tweaks and replaces quite a number of parts to cope/interact - with sufficient margin - with the engine they modified. It's a total package that you get for the price, not merely some engine tune and a body kit. Otherwise said, generally speaking it's still the BMW orchestra, but with a different director and a substantial number of player replacements, interactively and harmoniously producing a different kind of music: ///Music.
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Not arguing as I see your point. However my development engineer side knows that a long schedule doesn't necessarily mean a great amount of activity. If BMW applied minimal resources, it would still take a long time even with a limited scope.
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I go back and forth. Used 911. Stripper/used Cayman S. M2. M235. Even sometimes when I'm feeling pragmatic a 6MT 335Xdrive or inexpensive 228 w/track pkg. The M2 appears, so far, the most interesting. Still, there is a very good argument that a M235 will be faster and more poised than any application I might throw at it. My M135 was a blast on the autobahn and in the states.
So why not a M235? Because I can afford an M2 and I'm hoping it will be that much better. |
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