[RPM2-85]

Originally Posted by Dee Pee

Totally agree. It'll be more of a track car.
I'm still going to buy one if my allocation goes through though!

Me too......

[moveswiftly]

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

Never understood this. The car is much more analogue, not meant to be a GT cruiser car like the M4/3 with adaptive suspension ect. True to form, perfect balance M car.

My coworker has an M3 and I absolutely hate it, from day 1 before the M2 ever existed. It sounds horrible, is not balanced at all and its a handful on the street. Not too fun to drive. In an M2 with short wheelbase, it would absolutely be too much engine. Having driven mine for a while now, I see it.

The M2 as-is sounds wonderful, real musical out the back. It has plenty of torque for anything needed on the street. The N55 in the car is actually really trick, and bulletproof for track time. Not normal N55 at all. And the price for what you get is incredible.

Theres room to get the car to 390 crank HP that BMW could easily do for a facelift. I dont think this version M2 sees a B58. Maybe the next full update in 2020.

Will there be a S55 CS with a higher price tag? Sure, possibly. But it will not be a better street car overall IMHO.

Yes I agree. But I'm not looking for a car more geared for the street. I'm looking for a car that I can dedicate as a track car to share time with my GT4

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

Theres room to get the car to 390 crank HP that BMW could easily do for a facelift. I dont think this version M2 sees a B58. Maybe the next full update in 2020.

Entertaining information for you - SportAuto in Germany did a supertest on an M2. Unlike the US magazines, they do a real test on the car - 2 track times, measure the specs on the suspension of the test car AND even dyno the engine. On the dyno, the car put out 400PS. Over 8% more than spec. Just the stock motor. The real benefit of an M3 motor would be to tune well over 400. I'll add again that with the little Audi RS3 at 400 hp, little doubt to me that the M2 will need to have more hp.

[RPM2-85]

Originally Posted by ryem3

Entertaining information for you - SportAuto in Germany did a supertest on an M2. Unlike the US magazines, they do a real test on the car - 2 track times, measure the specs on the suspension of the test car AND even dyno the engine. On the dyno, the car put out 400PS. Over 8% more than spec. Just the stock motor. The real benefit of an M3 motor would be to tune well over 400. I'll add again that with the little Audi RS3 at 400 hp, little doubt to me that the M2 will need to have more hp.

Even better. I always liked the Sport Auto tests. I thought about an RS3 and man I am glad I didnt do that.

[WTFBRUHM3]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

You would pay 150k plus for a 340i engine, some mirrors and electronic shocks?!?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

Theres room to get the car to 390 crank HP that BMW could easily do for a facelift. I dont think this version M2 sees a B58. Maybe the next full update in 2020.

Originally Posted by ryem3

Entertaining information for you - SportAuto in Germany did a supertest on an M2. Unlike the US magazines, they do a real test on the car - 2 track times, measure the specs on the suspension of the test car AND even dyno the engine. On the dyno, the car put out 400PS. Over 8% more than spec. Just the stock motor. The real benefit of an M3 motor would be to tune well over 400. I'll add again that with the little Audi RS3 at 400 hp, little doubt to me that the M2 will need to have more hp.

As we know, some official M2 figures:

• max output: 272 kW or 370 hp (metric) or 365 hp (mech) @ 6500 rpm;
• max torque: 500 (465+35) Nm or 369 (343+26) lb-ft @ 1400-5560 rpm.

Akrapovič tested a stock M2. Their test results (see here):

• max output: 284.3 kW or 386.5 hp (metric) or 381.2 hp (mech) @ 5500 rpm;
• max torque: 558.8 Nm or 412.1 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm.

As Akrapovič officially claims those figures, for sure they can back these up with verifiable test results (though I'm aware that we should be cautious about dyno results, as all depends on the particular dyno set-up / test environment specs).

Hence, no dramatic hp increase is required to bump the M2 to 400 hp (metric) (294 kW or 394 hp (mech)) for a special version (ZCP, CS, Whatever), officially quoting 385 hp (metric) or so.

However, there's a catch. BMW M already pushed the envelope of the N55 engine for the base M2. The margin that's left for a power bump is rather tight. Also DINAN came to that conclusion after testing the base M2 (see here) ("These specific parameters allow the car to safely extract as much power as possible out of the engine. On the M2 this task is especially daunting given how close to the edge of its capability the N55 and its turbo are tuned from the factory. BMW did not leave a lot on the table to work with in terms of additional power output as the turbos are taxed heavily out of the gate. In fact, in its stock configuration, the M2 is nearly the equivalent of a Dinan stage 3 tuned M235i (the stage just short of the big turbo and associated tuning).").

And so S55 might enter the ///M engineering room saying "Hey folks, feel free to detune me before retiring me !".

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Artemis

And so S55 might enter the ///M engineering room saying "Hey folks, feel free to detune me before retiring me !".

It would be interesting to know what lengths they would go to,to restrict the engine and how easy/much to get it back to spec...

[Durham M2 CS]

Visted my dealer this morning and asked a salesman if there was any news on the CS/CSL. He confirmed that it was coming, but could give no information regarding when and pricing, spec. etc.
I asked if they were taking deposits, to which he told me their allocation of 4 or 5 cars were already taken.
Got to admit feeling a little disappointed as I had asked the salesman when I bought my car 6 months ago whether deposits were being taken (answer - not at that time) and to keep me informed of any developments...

[DD88]

Im fifth in line at my local dealer. They got three M4 GTS cars, so I really hope that the M2 GTS is not as limited as the M4 was.

I got a much better chance of getting hold of a Cayman 718 GT4. But, either one and I'll be happy.

[bogeyman]

Ring round and find a dealer who hasn't taken any deposits.

As for your dealer talking about 4-5 allocations lol if 250 cars are produced your dealer will be lucky to get more than 1.

Originally Posted by M2Durham

Visted my dealer this morning and asked a salesman if there was any news on the CS/CSL. He confirmed that it was coming, but could give no information regarding when and pricing, spec. etc.
I asked if they were taking deposits, to which he told me their allocation of 4 or 5 cars were already taken.
Got to admit feeling a little disappointed as I had asked the salesman when I bought my car 6 months ago whether deposits were being taken (answer - not at that time) and to keep me informed of any developments...

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by bogeyman

As for your dealer talking about 4-5 allocations lol if 250 cars are produced your dealer will be lucky to get more than 1.

[allthatisntnow]

Originally Posted by M2Durham

Visted my dealer this morning and asked a salesman if there was any news on the CS/CSL. He confirmed that it was coming, but could give no information regarding when and pricing, spec. etc.
I asked if they were taking deposits, to which he told me their allocation of 4 or 5 cars were already taken.
Got to admit feeling a little disappointed as I had asked the salesman when I bought my car 6 months ago whether deposits were being taken (answer - not at that time) and to keep me informed of any developments...

I wouldn't be that disappointed. They don't know anything, shouldn't be taking money off people without any solid info and more than likely won't be getting 4-5 if its a limited run anywhere near M4 GTS allocations. The fact they can't tell you anything outside "its coming" speaks volumes. If/when it does come, it'll be the big spenders who get first refusal regardless.

[ACZakka325i]

Originally Posted by M2Durham

Visted my dealer this morning and asked a salesman if there was any news on the CS/CSL. He confirmed that it was coming, but could give no information regarding when and pricing, spec. etc.
I asked if they were taking deposits, to which he told me their allocation of 4 or 5 cars were already taken.
Got to admit feeling a little disappointed as I had asked the salesman when I bought my car 6 months ago whether deposits were being taken (answer - not at that time) and to keep me informed of any developments...

Those statements are preposterous. We know more than your salesman and as of now, nothing is confirmed in the way of production quantities and allocations. But, if they have 4-5 deposits then you are SOL.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by allthatisntnow

shouldn't be taking money off people without any solid info

BS, it's an agreement.

[allthatisntnow]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

BS, it's an agreement.

Im waiting to hear your point. Fact is they shouldn't be taking money off people for something they genuinely know nothing about. What are you agreeing to exactly? To the potential of not getting what you want? For them to try and sell you something else if the product doesn't materialise?

[Durham M2 CS]

Think I'll contact my salesman direct and see what he has to say and if necessary a few other dealers.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by allthatisntnow

Im waiting to hear your point. Fact is they shouldn't be taking money off people for something they genuinely know nothing about. What are you agreeing to exactly? To the potential of not getting what you want? For them to try and sell you something else if the product doesn't materialise?

Obviously you're simply reserving a space for an eventuality. The terms are the agreement - adults can do things like that. They don't keep a deposit if it doesn't materialize.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by allthatisntnow

Im waiting to hear your point. Fact is they shouldn't be taking money off people for something they genuinely know nothing about. What are you agreeing to exactly? To the potential of not getting what you want? For them to try and sell you something else if the product doesn't materialise?

Here's the agreement I have:
I **** is giving ****** the amount of $1,000 Dollars as earnest money to order BMW M2 (CS, CSL, GTS). I am giving this money to ******* after I received official confirmation from the dealership that I was number 1 on the waitlist as of 10/26/2016. This vehicle will be ordered to my specifications and is expected to arrive with the same options that are listed in my build sheet. Once the vehicle goes into production the amount given as earnest money is NOT REFUNDABLE in the event I decide to cancel or back out of the purchase. I also agree to pay Full US MSRP with no additional discount.


Customer Signature:

CA Signature:

Sales Manager Signature:

[David1]

I laugh every time I see these. Dealer is just charging to get you on a list. My dealer doesn't require deposits on vehicles that can not be ordered or don't exist.

[zenmaster]

But the one that can buy the car is the one who has the LAST laugh.

[Sideshow]

Originally Posted by M2Durham

Got to admit feeling a little disappointed as I had asked the salesman when I bought my car 6 months ago whether deposits were being taken (answer - not at that time) and to keep me informed of any developments...

because...dealer

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by David1

I laugh every time I see these. Dealer is just charging to get you on a list. My dealer doesn't require deposits on vehicles that can not be ordered or don't exist.

I'm also on a few dealers' list without having to put down a deposit. The dealer who offered me the M4 GTS is one of them who did not take a deposit to put me at number one on his list. The auto group that runs the dealership does not allow them to take deposits unless the car is officially announced.

I don't want to take any chances and I have no problem putting a small refundable deposit to ensure that I get the car. If I do get multiple allocations, somebody on this forum will get very lucky.