[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Greenkirby21

Gosh I don't know what to do!

Buy an M235i with my discounts and mod it (around 48k all said and done)

Wait for an M2 (I have a feeling insurance might be a lot more expensive, and my 128i feels like it's at it's end of life haha)

Buy a C7 LT1 Z51 (53,000) after employee discount

i don't think M2 insurance will be that much more....1M insurance, for example, is not much more expensive than 135 insurance. I say hold out for the M2...but whatever, it's your decision.

[Greenkirby21]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

i don't think M2 insurance will be that much more....1M insurance, for example, is not much more expensive than 135 insurance. I say hold out for the M2...but whatever, it's your decision.

ya. i realized getting an M235i with LSD and other items will quickly reach the base price of an M2

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Greenkirby21

ya. i realized getting an M235i with LSD and other items will quickly reach the base price of an M2

you could do a 2 year lease on an M235 and then move right into an M2?

i have a 2 year lease on my 135is....more expensive monthly payments...but more flexibility and freedom in a short term lease.

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by Mr Marcus

BMW will have to do better than that engine wise or this will be slower than the new Golf R400.

You are right Mr Marcus, to be honest, with the power figures that Audi / VW / AMG are going to put out with their I4 2Lt engines the HP figure for the M2 is a joke, 365 - 375 from a 3Lt I6 is not in the game any more.

With the R400 pulling 3.9 seconds and the TT 420 concept pulling 3.7 seconds 0 - 100 who would want the much slower M2 at circa 4.5 seconds. There would have to be some pretty special features to the M2 to overlook the difference. And anyone that says power / speed is not everything, then go buy a 220i and be done with it, if you're honest its the reason we buy these cars, not the only reason, but major factor.

There are plenty of other brilliant cars coming online in the next 1 - 2 years to keep me from locking myself into an M2 at this point.

[ChrisMT79]

Originally Posted by Delnari

Whatever M2 variant that comes out of the BMW factory in 2 or more years it will be safe to say that it will be the most affordable M car you can buy. For me, that is why I will own one.

I think it might end up being one of the most well balanced, and fun to drive as well. Seeing as they have the accomplished 1M, and will at that point have a fairly well dialed in/turbo M3/4 under their belts, it really should provide a platform that might just end up being a car for the ages.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Wilson

You are right Mr Marcus, to be honest, with the power figures that Audi / VW / AMG are going to put out with their I4 2Lt engines the HP figure for the M2 is a joke, 365 - 375 from a 3Lt I6 is not in the game any more.

With the R400 pulling 3.9 seconds and the TT 420 concept pulling 3.7 seconds 0 - 100 who would want the much slower M2 at circa 4.5 seconds. There would have to be some pretty special features to the M2 to overlook the difference. And anyone that says power / speed is not everything, then go buy a 220i and be done with it, if you're honest its the reason we buy these cars, not the only reason, but major factor.

There are plenty of other brilliant cars coming online in the next 1 - 2 years to keep me from locking myself into an M2 at this point.

HP wars are useless. the TT-RS had 360hp when it came to the US....the 1M had 335hp.....the 1M was slower than a TT-RS in a straight line, but superior in every other way.

i'd be very pleased with 360-370hp on an M2 and great, great handling with a beautiful singing inline-6 instead of a nasty sounding 4-banger.

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Greenkirby21

ya. i realized getting an M235i with LSD and other items will quickly reach the base price of an M2

I have been really trying hard to like the M235i but it's too big of compromise car. Too heavy and packed with what I consider useless features for my taste. I was at Cars and Coffee Irvine and two M235i's drove past me......I didn't even notice them. They were both grey, both bland, engine sound was non-existent in that sort of environment and just blended in. There was no passion exuding from it. I pointed them out to my buddy and he just shrugged. I think waiting for the M2 is worth it. I only hope they make it lighter, give it real manly exhaust sound and let your order it without TV screen and idrive. I am worried a bit after seeing that all new BMWs force you to take iDrive and TV screen, but if I had to put up with that, it would be worth it for something closer to 1M. If you don't feel the passion from the M235i, why waste money on it? If you do, go and buy it.

2 cents.

[bernstem]

For those claiming a 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds from the M2, it is worth pointing out that real world testing of the M235 is ~4.6 sec. I would expect the M2 with a better suspension, transmission and engine to pull a real world time in the low 4s.

[ozinaldo]

Originally Posted by bernstem

For those claiming a 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds from the M2, it is worth pointing out that real world testing of the M235 is ~4.6 sec. I would expect the M2 with a better suspension, transmission and engine to pull a real world time in the low 4s.

I agree. If Motor Trend clocked 4.2 to 60 for a stock 1M with inferior tires and a classic manual and some of our Forum members did 4.4 to 100 km/h (stock) then we can expect better from the M2 especially from the version which will be equipped with DCT. I believe a DCT M2 will flirt with 3.9-4.0 to 60 and will be only slightly behind the F8X in real world performance.

[ska///235i]

Dawm you ppl want the M2 to price around $49-$50k and 0-60 in 4 seconds with 380hp and CF roof....Dream on

[phoenixbmwlife]

Some of those 0-60 times include a 1 foot rollout which makes the times faster. Just keep that in mind as Motor trend and many other magazines test cars with this. This explains the differences with manufacture 0-60 times and others.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Dawm you ppl want the M2 to price around $49-$50k and 0-60 in 4 seconds with 380hp and CF roof....Dream on

You're right. My opinion is that the M2 will be starting at maybe $54,925 if it's as impressive as we all expect it to be. They can't have the price to close to the M3/M4 though so the right balance will be required. If it starts a $50,935ish with 385hp, 0-60 in sub 4 seconds, M suspension, M breaks, CF roof, CF driveshaft, at 3,300 lbs that would be sufficient to take the market as what else is out there at that price with this performance? Many M4 owners will consider cross shopping.

[stefan]

Oh look, the N55 again. What a shocker. As usual, M is ambitious. I predict the M2 will be an overpriced M235i with a body kit, suspension, and engine tune. It will also sell out instantly.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by stefan

Oh look, the N55 again. What a shocker. As usual, M is ambitious. I predict the M2 will be an overpriced M235i with a body kit, suspension, and engine tune. It will also sell out instantly.

Yes, because that's exactly what the 1M was, right?

[Vertigo//SD]

Originally Posted by Haywood

Yes, because that's exactly what the 1M was, right?

[Transfer]

Hey look this thread just overflowed with airheads talking out of their asses. Sounds like 0-60 is all anyone cares about. Good grief.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Dawm you ppl want the M2 to price around $49-$50k and 0-60 in 4 seconds with 380hp and CF roof....Dream on

My thoughts exactly

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Hey look this thread just overflowed with airheads talking out of their asses. Sounds like 0-60 is all anyone cares about. Good grief.

pretty idiotic isn't it? this is why 'car culture' has lost its way these days.....nobody talks about the way a car feels anymore....they just talk about 0-60 and HP statistics like a bunch of empty, shallow, material object worshippers. weak!

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Haywood

Yes, because that's exactly what the 1M was, right?

Well generally yes. Some bolt ons, extremely minor revisions in the powertrain, nothing that would upset production schedules with, say, something bespoke as once used to be the case with M division. Did you forget already?

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

pretty idiotic isn't it? this is why 'car culture' has lost its way these days.....nobody talks about the way a car feels anymore....they just talk about 0-60 and HP statistics like a bunch of empty, shallow, material object worshippers. weak!

Well, that is the same way I feel about everybody wanting a N55, as if only the number of cylinders count. I know there is no point in discussing that, as it is a given with the I6, but an I4 would have some benefits in handling, would be slower on straight line.

That said, IMO the M4 Coupé is a useless car, not small/compact enough to a nimble rocket pocket, not big or exclusive enough to be a luxurious 4 seater GT, which the M6 Coupé is. All this restricting the full potential of the M2 Coupé.


Just my opinion.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by Levi

Well, that is the same way I feel about everybody wanting a N55, as if only the number of cylinders count. I know there is no point in discussing that, as it is a given with the I6, but an I4 would have some benefits in handling, would be slower on straight line.

That said, IMO the M4 Coupé is a useless car, not small/compact enough to a nimble rocket pocket, not big or exclusive enough to be a luxurious 4 seater GT, which the M6 Coupé is. All this restricting the full potential of the M2 Coupé.


Just my opinion.

the problem with the I4 is that it's NOT about how it feels....i've owned plenty of 4 bangers and know they always feel restricted or excessively boosted with turbo'd. That's sort of fun....but not in the same way as it is in a V6 or an I6. The smoothness, sound, and flexibility just isn't there. It's basically like an on/off switch when the turbos cut in.

I don't think the M4 is 'useless' per se. It is too large for my tastes, but they've kept the weight reasonably down....it weighs as much or less than the equivalent M235i which is, IMO, a useless car that's too heavy to be a successor to the 1er.

I think the M2 has a chance of being a great car......from early thoughts about the new M3/M4 it is also a fun car. Note that the first owner on the F8X M forum is also a 1M owner and thinks the car feels as good as the 1M in terms of steering feel------that is a lofty compliment, IMO.

[Haywood]

Originally Posted by stefan

Well generally yes. Some bolt ons, extremely minor revisions in the powertrain, nothing that would upset production schedules with, say, something bespoke as once used to be the case with M division. Did you forget already?

First of all, it's a rumor about the N55. I don't see why they couldn't use the S55, but we'll see. But, it's surprising that you've owned/own a M3 and feel that the M2 is just an overpriced M235i? Is that what the E92 M3 is to a 335? And get over the bespoke engine. We won't see it anymore. Also, what other division at the major autos are making better versions of their regular models than the M division?