[oolas3]

Originally Posted by kvndvs

It's funny that people discuss an extra 40 hp but I doubt many people even use the power that they have under foot. Take the nannies off, put it in sport mode or sport+ mode and hang on. Then ask yourself if and extra 40hp matters. If you say yes you either race or autoX and you are one of the few who pushes the edges. I doubt many drivers of 350GT's, LE1'2 or hellcats have the skill to take the nannies off either, but they have bragging rights while having a bud light.

The 40hp will work with the nannies on too. The beauty of the S55 is that it will allow guys to uncork way more power with a tune and mods. The current engine is maxed out.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

Not when the 340i with MPPK is putting out the sAme numbers. BMW just don't want to sell the M2

I'm pretty confident that 40i MPPK will make more whp than M2. However, these two cars don't drive anything similar two each other. As a DD, they shouldn't be that different but for track I would take M2 all day every day.

[ried]

Originally Posted by m3m3mr

Z3M.

More than 15 years ago.

[oolas3]

Originally Posted by ried

More than 15 years ago.

Yes.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by kvndvs

It's funny that people discuss an extra 40 hp but I doubt many people even use the power that they have under foot. Take the nannies off, put it in sport mode or sport+ mode and hang on. Then ask yourself if and extra 40hp matters. If you say yes you either race or autoX and you are one of the few who pushes the edges. I doubt many drivers of 350GT's, LE1'2 or hellcats have the skill to take the nannies off either, but they have bragging rights while having a bud light.

It may not be only 40hp. Two S55s (M4 and M4 ZCP) make 425hp and 444hp respectively on paper. However, on dyno they still put down these same numbers (around 420whp and 440whp). However, as we saw in several dyno tests, M2 makes around 330whp. If BMW does the same thing again with S55 on M2, the whp difference might be close to 70-80hp. M2 already performs pretty close to M4 on several tracks. I can't imagine how it would perform with an S55 and I wouldn't wanna buy an M4 knowing M2 is available with the same engine. Things will be pretty interesting for me when my lease ends

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by cntzl

I'm pretty confident that 40i MPPK will make more whp than M2. However, these two cars don't drive anything similar two each other. As a DD, they shouldn't be that different but for track I would take M2 all day every day.

I tend to believe on the wheel 340i mppk makes what m240i really makes, which is a hair less than m2.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

E36 M3
2990 cc S50B30 I6 (92-95) 210 kW (282 hp)
3201 cc S50B32 I6 (95–99) 239.4 kW (321 hp)

E30 M3 also but only on the Evolution models

Ok you beat me... Let's toss the civic m2 into the trash when that day actually comes!

[PackPride85]

Everyone forgets to get the M2 N55 version they had to use parts from the S55 to make it sustainable for track use so....

You won't see a generic B58 because its not designed for heavy track use.
You won't see a modified B58 because the S55 parts are not compatible and they're not going to spend the money to develop specifically for low production car like the M2.

I think its possible you could see a GTS variant with the S55 direct drop in...but theres no way you'll ever see a standard M2 selling for $52k with an S55 motor in it.

You'll see a next gen M3 modified B58 (S58?) before the next M2 which, if they follow the same philosophy, they'll take some of those parts and shove into the standard B58.

[pruettfan]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

Not when the 340i with MPPK is putting out the sAme numbers. BMW just don't want to sell the M2

Dude, how long is the backlog on orders for the M2??? I could care less what the HP of any other BMW model is, I am not in the market for a 340 so it could have 400 hp and that wouldn't change my thoughts about the M2. By that logic we should all just buy hellcats.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

Dude, how long is the backlog on orders for the M2??? I could care less what the HP of any other BMW model is, I am not in the market for a 340 so it could have 400 hp and that wouldn't change my thoughts about the M2. By that logic we should all just buy hellcats.

Agreed! Also...the BMW 550i makes 445 hp with a tt v8 for 60k...why pay more for an M3 with a little I6? BMW failed us with the M3/4!

[pruettfan]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Everyone forgets to get the M2 N55 version they had to use parts from the S55 to make it sustainable for track use so....

You won't see a generic B58 because its not designed for heavy track use.
You won't see a modified B58 because the S55 parts are not compatible and they're not going to spend the money to develop specifically for low production car like the M2.

I think its possible you could see a GTS variant with the S55 direct drop in...but theres no way you'll ever see a standard M2 selling for $52k with an S55 motor in it.

You'll see a next gen M3 modified B58 (S58?) before the next M2 which, if they follow the same philosophy, they'll take some of those parts and shove into the standard B58.

Best argument made here on this topic.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Everyone forgets to get the M2 N55 version they had to use parts from the S55 to make it sustainable for track use so....

You won't see a generic B58 because its not designed for heavy track use.
You won't see a modified B58 because the S55 parts are not compatible and they're not going to spend the money to develop specifically for low production car like the M2.

I think its possible you could see a GTS variant with the S55 direct drop in...but theres no way you'll ever see a standard M2 selling for $52k with an S55 motor in it.

You'll see a next gen M3 modified B58 (S58?) before the next M2 which, if they follow the same philosophy, they'll take some of those parts and shove into the standard B58.

Makes sense, but only BMW knows if a stock B58 is enough to handle track duty. It's not impossible.

If they have to drop S55 in, there would be a price increase, no doubt.

[///M-pressed]

I think if they wanted to do this, they would have done so from the beginning.

There are people who ordered the car from its launch date and are still waiting to receive it. Yet there is some 'rumour' that next year's model is already going to have a new engine.

Somehow I don't think so.

I'll be super pissed if it does and will sell the car immediately as the model with the N55 will be worthless.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Everyone forgets to get the M2 N55 version they had to use parts from the S55 to make it sustainable for track use so....

You won't see a generic B58 because its not designed for heavy track use.
You won't see a modified B58 because the S55 parts are not compatible and they're not going to spend the money to develop specifically for low production car like the M2.

I think its possible you could see a GTS variant with the S55 direct drop in...but theres no way you'll ever see a standard M2 selling for $52k with an S55 motor in it.

You'll see a next gen M3 modified B58 (S58?) before the next M2 which, if they follow the same philosophy, they'll take some of those parts and shove into the standard B58.

Points well made!

Though let's not rule out the theory where BMW is spending money on R&Ding stronger and higher-revving B58 internal/crankshaft so the parts will be put into s58 as well for the next gen m3/4 and s68 for m5.

Every penny spent in B layout is for the long term, a BMW strategy isn't it?

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Everyone forgets to get the M2 N55 version they had to use parts from the S55 to make it sustainable for track use so....

You won't see a generic B58 because its not designed for heavy track use.
You won't see a modified B58 because the S55 parts are not compatible and they're not going to spend the money to develop specifically for low production car like the M2.

I think its possible you could see a GTS variant with the S55 direct drop in...but theres no way you'll ever see a standard M2 selling for $52k with an S55 motor in it.

You'll see a next gen M3 modified B58 (S58?) before the next M2 which, if they follow the same philosophy, they'll take some of those parts and shove into the standard B58.

+1
And in bold:
Exactly. An S55 in an M2 'CSL/GTS' is very plausible and would sell for >80k euros (understatement, I think it will be close to 100k if it's a limited edition) in Germany...

Cheers
Robin

[TheNeonTiger]

I too read the M2 was getting the M4 engine.

Source: Bimmerpost.

[dt34]

I would think the change to an S55 and jump in bhp would come with a price hike. I think BMW could price it around $65k+ and not completely kill the value of the current M2. At $56k the current m2 is still a great value imo.

I have much more fun driving my 360bhp M2 around that track than my 460bhp GranTurismo. I believe the GT weighs about 600 lbs more than the M2. The noise that come from the GT though, well thats a different story.

[TunedM2C]

Originally Posted by mofomat

Scott has long stopped being a reliable source of things happening at BMW. He said the G30 5 Series would be launched by 9th July at the latest.

Agreed but I'm just looking for some spin doctor comedy from him/her.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

First, name a BMW - any BMW, that got a power boost like this in its LCI from the entire BMW history please.

I see your point but let's distinguish two topics: 2er LCI and M2 model range.

See here for some base M2 and M2 variant considerations: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...2#post20562832

[Hegge]

Assuming the engine change happens in March 2017, it looks like this will take effect for the 2018 M2. The 2018 model year looks to be the one to get due to the mid-cycle refresh. I'm still on a waiting list as I think I'll wait for the 2018.

[F87LUV]

If this happens, I'm filing a class action lawsuit. No idrive 5.0 retrofit and now this?

[CosmosMpower]

Yep and the 991.2 GT3 is going to use the extra CGT V10's they found in the back shed in Stuttgart.