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      03-27-2018, 12:17 AM   #1
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M2 Vs M2 Competition

As the title states I can't believe that there's not already the M2 vs M2 competition thread unbelievable?
I have a 08 E92 M3 higher mileage with a 104,xxx thinking about either supercharging my M3 with the Harrop supercharger or getting a current M2, or the 2019/ 2020 M2C the current 2018 M2 is more my price range as of right now. We don't know the price of the M2 competition like I said before I can't believe there's not a thread M2 vs M2 competition. Now let the pros take over.
For me personally I'm thinking about keeping my high mileage 104,xxx 2008 and eventually putting in a Harrop supercharger on it on 91 octane, and supporting mods or repairs like rod bearings, throttle actuator this and that recommended for supercharger. Or like I said purchasing the current 2018 M2. Or trying to save money for the M2C, witch is probably out of my price range I have some money to either put on my current M3, and supercharging it. Or trading in the M3 and a 12,000 to 15,000 down payment on the current M2 or the soon-to-be-released M2 competition. I love my M3 a couple of mods, and a catless x-pipe with Giannini exhaust, but feeling it's kind of heavy at 3700+.
lb. I love throwing around my MK5 3000 pound APR stage 2 + GTI.
I mean dang even my 2011 Forester XT is lighter than my M3 the Forester XT weighs in a 3400 lb

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      03-27-2018, 03:11 AM   #2
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Tough call, but it's going to be very costly to do the SC and bearings on the E92. If I were at 100k+ on an S65 engine and installing a SC I would be tempted to do main bearings in addition to the rod bearings.
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Tough call, but it's going to be very costly to do the SC and bearings on the E92. If I were at 100k+ on an S65 engine and installing a SC I would be tempted to do main bearings in addition to the rod bearings.
Agree. Seems like a lot of effort and money (>$10k) to throw into the E92 at that age but would be worth it if it is special to the OP. Makes more sense to get a newer factory forced induction car. If you want power wait for M2 competition although you may have to wait a while. F82 is available now of course.
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      03-27-2018, 06:06 AM   #4
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I have both now, 18 M2 and 08 E92 M3. They are different cars. I still feel like the M3 is more raw, for lack of a better term. The M2 is refined comparatively. I have not driven the M2 as long or rung it out as much, yet.

I also don't think a supercharger on the S65 is a great idea, to much stress on the main bearing. I would just do a stroker kit by Lang or some other place, if more power was on the mind. Although, the "need" for more power is not there IMHO. The want is there for sure. When I had mine in for bearings and talked about the different options, I decided to stay stock. I have similar options done on mine, close to 400 at the rear wheels now.

As far as performance between the two, not sure I have a great butttt dyno feel yet. But, I don't think there will be much real world difference. I went DSG on the M2, that will probably be the main difference.

Good luck on your choice going forward.
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The torque in the M2 is very addicting vs the S65, while the S65 has that engine noise!

As for speed, my Uncle has a Turner prepped supercharged 09 M3 and we’ve run several open track days together. There’s very little time difference bn the cars. I pull him in the corners and coming off the corner, and he pulls me on the straights.

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      03-27-2018, 01:35 PM   #6
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M2 Comp is expected to be around $10,000 more than the M2. Plus there will be ridiculous amount of waiting just like when the M2 was released, so there is potential dealer mark-ups on top of $10,000 extra MSRP.

Main things you'd get with that extra ~$10,000:

A detuned S55 engine (adds 40hp over the current M2)
M3/4 seats
2 more different colors to choose from (silver and orange)
slightly revised front bumper and possibly rear bumper also
the M-mirrors

If you are not on the wait list for the Comp now, you'll probably get one in around 2020 or later. But by that time, BMW will have the new 2nd generation 2 series so your new M2 Comp. will already be old.

Current N55 M2 is a kick ass car as is. I bought the LCI version knowing there is S55 M2 coming out. why?: I got a bad ass real M car, at a proper MSRP, right when I wanted it, with all the bells and whistles that I ever want in a car and it is still a proper M car (Minus the M-mirrors...)

If the latest and the newest is your thing, wait for the M2 Competition... but wait, did I mention the current 2 series are due for new generation shortly?
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      03-28-2018, 12:52 AM   #7
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I'm going to go look at a LBB DCT and the AW DCT this weekend that's what's on the lot near me
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M2 Comp is expected to be around $10,000 more than the M2. Plus there will be ridiculous amount of waiting just like when the M2 was released, so there is potential dealer mark-ups on top of $10,000 extra MSRP.

Main things you'd get with that extra ~$10,000:

A detuned S55 engine (adds 40hp over the current M2)
M3/4 seats
2 more different colors to choose from (silver and orange)
slightly revised front bumper and possibly rear bumper also
the M-mirrors

If you are not on the wait list for the Comp now, you'll probably get one in around 2020 or later. But by that time, BMW will have the new 2nd generation 2 series so your new M2 Comp. will already be old.

Current N55 M2 is a kick ass car as is. I bought the LCI version knowing there is S55 M2 coming out. why?: I got a bad ass real M car, at a proper MSRP, right when I wanted it, with all the bells and whistles that I ever want in a car and it is still a proper M car (Minus the M-mirrors...)

If the latest and the newest is your thing, wait for the M2 Competition... but wait, did I mention the current 2 series are due for new generation shortly?
We'll see how production goes for M2 Comp. I think most people who wanted an M2 bought one already. There will be a high initial demand but I predict they will be quite available in the end.
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I'd take a M2 over the M3. M3 will be even heavier with SC. Handling will still be better for M2. Comp package or not depends on if the extra performance is worth it to you. Personally if it's an extra 10k puts it into M3/M4 territory despite it still having less power. Since comp pkg is replacing base i think it will be 3-5k premium.
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      03-28-2018, 01:01 PM   #10
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Don't forget, for the 08's, you'll need to replace the clutch as well. The car's a ticking time bomb at ~100k, but if you do the maintenance, you should be good for another 70-100k.

I probably wouldn't supercharge that engine, given the things you're considering.

In terms of 'rawness', I personally feel the E92 is more refined. It has a much better package of top notch materials and feel combined with performance. The M2's interior feels cheap in comparison.

And while the E92 hides it's weight well, there's no getting around the fact that, as you state, it's heavier than an SUV.
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      03-28-2018, 02:14 PM   #11
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Pretty sure everyone is aware the M2 CS is going to crush all other M cars. So, I don't know how much there really is to compare. We will see...

Edit: Ok, maybe not the M4 GT4.
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Yeah I've been thinking about it a lot I don't think I'll supercharge the M3. I want to sell it privately and then purchase a 2018 M2 but at the end of the day if I can't sell it for decent price I can always keep the M3 it's a great car just a lot of miles for supercharging it.
I'm sure I would be happier with the newer M2 though
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Now I have this cross shopping bug
2018 BMW M2
2018 CHEVROLET Corvette
2018 AUDI RS3
2018 FORD Mustang 350GT
The Camaro ZL1 and the Corvette Grand Sport and the 350GTR are all starting to get out of my price range. Unless I get a killer deal, so I'm trying to stay right around $55,000

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Personally if it's an extra 10k puts it into M3/M4 territory despite it still having less power. Since comp pkg is replacing base i think it will be 3-5k premium.
I just picked up my 2018 M2 yesterday.

Both my salesman and the finance guy, separately, told me that they didn't have any definitive information on the pricing of the M2 Competition, but both predicted it'd be between $7-8,000 over the current M2.

They both also felt it'll be hard to get one the first year or so. They seem to think allocations will be fewer compared to current allocations on the M2.

For what it's worth...
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Congratulations!!!
I'm definitely leaning towards a 2018 model year Long Beach blue M2
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I had a 2011 e90 M3 DCT with an exhaust and tune. Loved that car. But.... 1 drive of an M2 (DCT) and I was hooked. Even moreso when I got my (6 speed) tuned. Such a fun car. Feela much more "alive" than my e90
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If you are not on the wait list for the Comp now, you'll probably get one in around 2020 or later. But by that time, BMW will have the new 2nd generation 2 series so your new M2 Comp. will already be old.
Also to add on, the S58 is going to be out soon anyways so the S55 is going to be old as well. So people holding out on the standard M2 because of the "old" N55 are going to end up with the S55 which is going to be replaced soon anyways.
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Also to add on, the S58 is going to be out soon anyways so the S55 is going to be old as well. So people holding out on the standard M2 because of the "old" N55 are going to end up with the S55 which is going to be replaced soon anyways.
I've said this or something similar in other threads but here i go again...
Sure a new engine is better than an old engine but the main reason people are holding out for the s55 is because it is a true m engine instead of the tuned and modified regular car engine that the n55 is.

Also, there doesn't seem to be a lineup to get the m2 comp where i live.
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Aside from not knowing if S58 will make its way into M2 in the future, we don't even know if BMW will continue offering M2 at all after 2020.
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Also to add on, the S58 is going to be out soon anyways so the S55 is going to be old as well. So people holding out on the standard M2 because of the "old" N55 are going to end up with the S55 which is going to be replaced soon anyways.
That's my plan. Nothing special about the S55.. it'll be a forgotten M motor. So I'm just skipping that update and will queue up for the next M2 iteration.
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I've read the "true M engine" argument (regarding the forthcoming S55-powered 2019 M2) on this forum so many times - totally subjective...

The N55 in the 2016-18 M2 has a fair number of modifications over every previous iteration - at some point, BMW makes enough modifications that they decide to stick an 'S' designation on it. For sure, a closed-deck is a nice upgrade (tho I'd take a B58 over an S55 - we all have different priorities...), and I can understand if someone wants another 40 hp, twin turbos, etc - all those are at least concrete advantages vs a subjective "true M" declaration.

But a good point was made above and I agree - the S55 isn't likely to go down in history as one of the greatest M lumps ever and, as mentioned, it too will be replaced in the very near future, starting with the X3M and then disappearing completely within a couple years or so.
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I've read the "true M engine" argument (regarding the forthcoming S55-powered 2019 M2) on this forum so many times - totally subjective...

The N55 in the 2016-18 M2 has a fair number of modifications over every previous iteration - at some point, BMW makes enough modifications that they decide to stick an 'S' designation on it. For sure, a closed-deck is a nice upgrade (tho I'd take a B58 over an S55 - we all have different priorities...), and I can understand if someone wants another 40 hp, twin turbos, etc - all those are at least concrete advantages vs a subjective "true M" declaration.

But a good point was made above and I agree - the S55 isn't likely to go down in history as one of the greatest M lumps ever and, as mentioned, it too will be replaced in the very near future, starting with the X3M and then disappearing completely within a couple years or so.
BMW has built some great engines over the decades; not all were designated as "M" engines, and not all engines designated "M" were great engines.

And the concept of how much power, or HP, an engine generally, or an "M" engine specifically, should have, has widely varied over the decades, generally increasing, but who knows where that will end up as emissions and other restrictions become more and more important?

The M2 is a street car that can be tracked. The overwhelming majority of owners will never track the car, nor stress the engine beyond 75%, tops, of its capabilities. Most people will just drive it, and beyond the occasional spirited passing, the car's current capacity will remain only in reserve. But it is nice to know its there.
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