[stuka]

Originally Posted by chaungo

You underestimate canadian winters.

Winter tires on a RWD car is USELESS where I live. People get stuck all the time, and the only vehicles on the road are trucks, SUV, subarus/mistubishi, Audis and BMW xi.

Different areas, different situations. I've seen a C63 fight for traction with winters, before he pulled over to the side and gave up.

Please educate me on Canadian winter, because I have driven in middle of nowhere assachussates plenty in a 2001 740 with snow tires with traction control off.

It was no big thing.

The only annoying thing was having to switch tires between spring and fall from winter to summer tires.

And unless Canada mandates snow tires, what you are seeing are probably a bunch of people with their no season tires not getting any traction. And that C63, unless it has actual winter tires, is useless with those big hard as rock z rated tires in snow temp.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by chaungo

You underestimate canadian winters.

Winter tires on a RWD car is USELESS where I live. People get stuck all the time, and the only vehicles on the road are trucks, SUV, subarus/mistubishi, Audis and BMW xi.

Different areas, different situations. I've seen a C63 fight for traction with winters, before he pulled over to the side and gave up.

The Canadian winter must be something really special then as a RWD with good winter tires work great in the Nordic winter climate where all manufacturers test their cars... Maybe they should change.

[-JLT-]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Where is option 403 (Electric Glass Roof) in the list ?

was wondering as well but should be no cost option

[BiscottiGelato]

Originally Posted by -JLT-

was wondering as well but should be no cost option

My guess is they killed the option to streamline the SKU. Total deal breaker here.

[XRAVE]

I wish more of their lines had the option to remove the moon roof. I have no use for it and I think it ruins the way the roof line looks.

[BiscottiGelato]

Originally Posted by XRAVE

I wish more of their lines had the option to remove the moon roof. I have no use for it and I think it ruins the way the roof line looks.

Just want it to be an option like they have for the M2 in Europe. Even if they charge a few hundred for it.

[JasonCSU]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I was very much IN on the M2 for the following....

Euro Delivery-
New Warranty
The price- even when it wasn't known, I expected around 10K less than M3
That new car smell...

However.. I am OUT for the following reasons...

The rear bumper and taillights of all 2 series still disappoint for me.. the front does look much better than the 1 series of course.

The weight - I am very disappointed it will weigh more than the 1M.

Power seats - I wear a helmet from time to time in my 1M. 1Ms with power seats have at least 1" less headroom. The seats from the M2 and 1M look to be largely similar. The roofline on the M2 is also about 1/2" lower than the 1M..

EPS - While I am not a hater... It's clearly something BMW has not yet perfected at this point, and I very much doubt that comparisons will indicate the M2 will have better steering feel than a 1M.

auto Blip throttle - manuals don't need this..

Interior- I very much dislike the Nav screen/Ipad on the dash - of course it was the same on the the 1 series .. this just is not a very good design from BMW.

Rare air- while I expect this to be a low volume car... I anticipate it will be Much like E30 vs E36... the original will always be worth more. I owned an E30 M3 and got to watch the E36... E46... and E90x come out.... and the 1M was the only car special enough to get me to sell the E30 M3. And of course these days... an E30 M3 is worth more than all M3s except CSL and F8x. I very much expect the 1M and the M2 to be like the E30 M3 and E36M3.. The original car is the driver's car... and the " remix" appeals to more people and is more of a grand tourer.



If I could afford to own both... I would consider it... a daily driver M2 would be neat.... but more than likely I will upgrade my SUV... I likely will get an X1 or keep my big 'murrican truck and find a daily commuter E46.


The M2 looks to be quite special.. but not as much so as the 1M.

I'm absolutely still all in on an M2 CSL... that would be a car worthy of giving up the 1M., or Perhaps a Cayman GT4 but I just can't see spending that much unless it says CSL.
.

All very good points indeed, and the 1M does have a better looking rear. I'd probably hold onto it for now too.

[King_Slayer]

Originally Posted by BiscottiGelato

Just want it to be an option like they have for the M2 in Europe. Even if they charge a few hundred for it.

So no sunroof option in North America but they have this in Europe?

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by King_Slayer

So no sunroof option in North America but they have this in Europe?

Yes and yes.

[lens]

Originally Posted by stuka

Please educate me on Canadian winter, because I have driven in middle of nowhere assachussates plenty in a 2001 740 with snow tires with traction control off.

It was no big thing.

The only annoying thing was having to switch tires between spring and fall from winter to summer tires.

And unless Canada mandates snow tires, what you are seeing are probably a bunch of people with their no season tires not getting any traction. And that C63, unless it has actual winter tires, is useless with those big hard as rock z rated tires in snow temp.

In Quebec, winter tires are mandatory.

Where I live, we got hit with 1.5 feet of snow in one day. ONE DAY. and people get stuck at lights. It then proceeded to snow another feet within the next couple of days. It was alot worst in NS last year as they got destroyed with snow (car and house was buried, record of 59cm in a day)

Now it's just ice on the roads at the moment.

There's a reason why xDrive is so popular in Canada, and why all mercedes are 4matic as well (exception of certain AMG models)

People tend to store their M cars for the winter as well, and those who don't, it's fairly amusing to see them spin and spin during a stoplight.

But again, it's probably tires or the driver, or the car, I'm sure some people cheap out on the tires.

Not trying to offend anyone running RWD and winter tires (sorry if I am) but I'm just saying, the people I see getting stuck are usually RWD/FWD, and those who end up in the ditch are AWD.

Originally Posted by metrickid

The Canadian winter must be something really special then as a RWD with good winter tires work great in the Nordic winter climate where all manufacturers test their cars... Maybe they should change.

You should've came here last year, you'd think you were in the north pole....lol

[King_Slayer]

Originally Posted by metrickid

Yes and yes.

Although its nice to have, I can live without it

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by King_Slayer

Although its nice to have, I can live without it

Same. Still seems a little weird.

[Legal Bill]

Originally Posted by metrickid

There is only one option. Black with blue stitches.

Thanks.

[F87LUV]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

why would you only consider a lease with interest rates at 1.9 percent ??

Lol. Why would I want to finance 58k? That's a huge monthly payment.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by King_Slayer

So no sunroof option in North America but they have this in Europe?

That's because the US cars get the carbon fiber roof.

[julio91]

I'm really curious to know the leasing numbers for this car and how much of a discount dealers will be giving for this car.

Sorry for the lack of researching, this car isn't going to have a shortage of allocation or production ?

[ucla95]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

including POWER seats.. Headroom is gonna be an issue for some

I sat in it. I would guess if you're 6'2" or shorter you could fit with a helmet with the seat on the floor without having to recline abnormally. If you have a long torso at that height ymmv

There was a touch more headroom in the new R8 V10+ if you want to go that route

[XRAVE]

Originally Posted by julio91

I'm really curious to know the leasing numbers for this car and how much of a discount dealers will be giving for this car.

Sorry for the lack of researching, this car isn't going to have a shortage of allocation or production ?

Your looking at around 800 a month with 0 due at singing. I've spoken to three dealers, none of which are giving discount.

[StockLOL]

Why does that sheet say the wheels are only 9 inches wide in the back? Is that a typo or are they actually only 9" and not same as f80/82?

[SGL]

Originally Posted by StockLOL

Why does that sheet say the wheels are only 9 inches wide in the back? Is that a typo or are they actually only 9" and not same as f80/82?

Since it states all four wheels are 19x9.0, twice in the pricing guide, I fear that it isn't a typo.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by ScottGregory

Since it states all four wheels are 19x9.0, twice in the pricing guide, I fear that it isn't a typo.

Need to get official clarification since the official specs released in Oct say 19x10. Anyone check the other country price guides?

[scottomfg]

Originally Posted by stuka

You must have long inseam and don't sit up like HPDE.

A lot of people who have done HPDE sit up where your wrists rest on top of the steering wheel (for fine motor control), if you lean back where your wrists are not resting comfortably with you moving forward, you are using gross motor control.

Essentially, hands vs arms for steering.

This is why BMW to this day offers no sunroof options on their smaller cars, their smaller cars have never had great headrooms if you sit up HPDE style.

Actually I have my wrists positioned exactly as you recommend, and I sit very upright in the car--my wife actually makes fun of me for it. Don't know what else to tell you.