[stefan]

Originally Posted by Rupes

I like how people are saying, "I didn't like the look of the old M2, but I like the comp a lot." Seriously? Am I missing something? I would bet 98% of the body parts are the exact same. It's hardly even changed, yet somehow this is a thing...

I think as owners of these cars we tend to blow these updates out of proportion. The M2 is badass, the new one will be too, but it isn't as drastically different as the forums would have you believe.

I think the changes are pretty significant. A Kia grille and a more raked front end are pretty polarizing. I understand why these bumpers keep getting more raked and rounded for pedestrian safety, but I am a huge fan of the classic BMW upright front end design. The M2 is already ungainly and bulbous and the comp is even worse. Plus it has a confused design language with those slats randomly at the bottom bumper. It's a big difference.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by boostm3

Cmon.. Really? I sold my '11 135i with 20k miles last August.. Thats probably as much/little mileage as the average 2 yr old vehicle. YMMV

Originally Posted by akkando

Because they drove it the same miles as a 2013?

e92 have the rod bearing thing though so some people want a later/low model with less miles or believe later models may have been re engineered to avoid the rod bearing issue.

Guys - my point is, an older car normally has more miles on it.

I'll try to bring it down to a 7th grade level here...

In 2022, a 2016 car is worth less than a 2019 - and rarely would they have the same mileage - BUT EVEN IF THEY DID, THE 2016 IS WORTH LESS BECAUSE IT IS 3 YEARS OLDER.

Did the shouting help?

Originally Posted by silverado

A 2013 car is more expensive than a 2010 car. Is that news?

Apparently it is to some people here - it seems that had BMW not come out with the M2C the older M2s would not even depreciate!

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by Rupes

Meanwhile, after nearly 400 responses and a totally derailed conversation, the OP has crawled into a ball wondering why he ever created this post in the first place.

Yes, can we delete if by a majority vote?????

I vote Y E S !

[///M///]

Reading this thread reminds me of the same old crap that's gets repeated every few years. It goes like this......BMW announces the new M3 and immediately current owners start fault finding with the new model even before its out. I remember when I had the E46 M3 and the V8 came out, even I was part of the group of current E46 owners who whined about how the new V8 was not a M car because BMW was moving away from the inline 6, the E46 is a classic design that looks better, blah blah. Then I ended up buying it and it was the best car ever. What an amazing sound and the DCT was awesome. Then BMW announces the F8X M3/4 and we all start hating on turbos and how bad it sounds, blah blah blah. The V8 was the last true M car and so on. Fast forward to 2016 and I bought the F80 M3 and frickin love it. It is the best looking M3 yet and I don't miss the V8 at all other than the sound. By now you get the just if what I am saying. Same applies to the M2. When it came out, the F8x M3/4 owners were bashing it and claiming it's not a true M car because it uses the N55. I drove it and frickin' loved it.

Now the CS is announced and you guys (current M2 owners) are bashing on the CS and it's grill, s55 engine, etc., You do know it will hands down blow away the current N55 powered M2. BMW maxed the shit of the N55 to squeeze every last pony out of it so no surprise they are moving to the S55.
What you have right now is downright amazing and bashing the CS is not going to make it any better so give it a break. There is nothing bad about the new CS. In fact it is a huge improvement over the current M2. Give it a year or 2 and you will end up loving it.

Cheers.

[amancuso]

Originally Posted by ///M///

Reading this thread reminds me of the same old crap that's gets repeated every few years. It goes like this......BMW announces the new M3 and immediately current owners start fault finding with the new model even before its out. I remember when I had the E46 M3 and the V8 came out, even I was part of the group of current E46 owners who whined about how the new V8 was not a M car because BMW was moving away from the inline 6, the E46 is a classic design that looks better, blah blah. Then I ended up buying it and it was the best car ever. What an amazing sound and the DCT was awesome. Then BMW announces the F8X M3/4 and we all start hating on turbos and how bad it sounds, blah blah blah. The V8 was the last true M car and so on. Fast forward to 2016 and I bought the F80 M3 and frickin love it. It is the best looking M3 yet and I don't miss the V8 at all other than the sound. By now you get the just if what I am saying. Same applies to the M2. When it came out, the F8x M3/4 owners were bashing it and claiming it's not a true M car because it uses the N55. I drove it and frickin' loved it.

Now the CS is announced and you guys (current M2 owners) are bashing on the CS and it's grill, s55 engine, etc., You do know it will hands down blow away the current N55 powered M2. BMW maxed the shit of the N55 to squeeze every last pony out of it so no surprise they are moving to the S55.
What you have right now is downright amazing and bashing the CS is not going to make it any better so give it a break. There is nothing bad about the new CS. In fact it is a huge improvement over the current M2. Give it a year or 2 and you will end up loving it.

Cheers.

I'm sure it's a great car and an improvement, but it still doesn't mean I will ever like the front grille.

[qnet]

Originally Posted by ///M///

Reading this thread reminds me of the same old crap that's gets repeated every few years. It goes like this......BMW announces the new M3 and immediately current owners start fault finding with the new model even before its out. I remember when I had the E46 M3 and the V8 came out, even I was part of the group of current E46 owners who whined about how the new V8 was not a M car because BMW was moving away from the inline 6, the E46 is a classic design that looks better, blah blah. Then I ended up buying it and it was the best car ever. What an amazing sound and the DCT was awesome. Then BMW announces the F8X M3/4 and we all start hating on turbos and how bad it sounds, blah blah blah. The V8 was the last true M car and so on. Fast forward to 2016 and I bought the F80 M3 and frickin love it. It is the best looking M3 yet and I don't miss the V8 at all other than the sound. By now you get the just if what I am saying. Same applies to the M2. When it came out, the F8x M3/4 owners were bashing it and claiming it's not a true M car because it uses the N55. I drove it and frickin' loved it.

Now the CS is announced and you guys (current M2 owners) are bashing on the CS and it's grill, s55 engine, etc., You do know it will hands down blow away the current N55 powered M2. BMW maxed the shit of the N55 to squeeze every last pony out of it so no surprise they are moving to the S55.
What you have right now is downright amazing and bashing the CS is not going to make it any better so give it a break. There is nothing bad about the new CS. In fact it is a huge improvement over the current M2. Give it a year or 2 and you will end up loving it.

Cheers.

I get what you're saying, but during those times did you read people who never liked or bought the previous model, only to comment and lambaste current owners of said model? I've read that a lot also. I'm a current M2 owner and like the new model, but I do like the old grill design better. I don't hate the new design, just like the old one.

[chester22]

Dunno about M cars, but criticism of non M-cars has been spot on. Specifically, this generation of 3 series is a big letdown.

[mbrunner]

If you were mad at the new model announcement DO NOT look at the M Parts catalog it will just pour a bit more salt on the wound

[Nine Lives]

Interesting to note that the carbon roof is part of the options list.
I wonder what the deal is with this...

[kfscoll]

Originally Posted by ///M///

...You do know it will hands down blow away the current N55 powered M2...
...In fact it is a huge improvement over the current M2...
Cheers.

It really depends on intended use. If you’re gonna track/mod the car, then yes, the M2C (and S55 in particular) is likely a huge improvement. If not, and the intended use is as a fun-to-drive DD that’s gonna be kept stock, then the M2C’s extra ~10% power/torque (and marginal chassis and suspension improvements) are simply factors that must be weighed against others like looks, available colors, exhaust sound, cost, etc.

I bought the M2 because I wanted a playful, fast, fun-to-drive, not-over-the-top DD. The OG M2 fits that role perfectly. I’d happily drive the M2C also, but FOR ME it makes compromises in certain areas while adding more power/tunability. Again, FOR ME, the areas in which it compromises are more important to my driving enjoyment than a more powerful engine would be.

So, while you might consider the M2C as “blowing away” the M2, others, not so much. In a perfect world the M2 would still be offered alongside the M2C, but that just wasn’t possible for reasons out of BMW’s control.

And yes, the new grille will always be fugly no matter what.

[Josh84]

Originally Posted by mbrunner

If you were mad at the new model announcement DO NOT look at the M Parts catalog it will just pour a bit more salt on the wound

Haha it actually had the opposite effect on me.

(1) I'm now more convinced than ever what a bargain buy an M4 Competition would be.

(2) The cost of a fully speced M2 Competition also means that it now makes more sense (for me) to move on to a 718 Cayman S when the time comes.

Win win.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Z435is

No.For the M2, which they knew would be relatively limited release, they chose to develop the N55 parts w/ S55 ensuring a reliable, high performance engine that's a cut above the M235i but below the M3/4s.

A cut above? Do tell!!!

[pissclams]

Originally Posted by mbrunner

If you were mad at the new model announcement DO NOT look at the M Parts catalog it will just pour a bit more salt on the wound

Given that the only exterior changes on the Kia2C are around the grille area, I’d think that most of the new M parts will fit the 16/18 M2.

[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by afwares

Can someone please post a link to the industry standard upgrade schedule. I did not know there was one, and I'd like to read more about it. Thanks in advance.

There isn’t one. Period.

[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by mbrunner

If you were mad at the new model announcement DO NOT look at the M Parts catalog it will just pour a bit more salt on the wound

Until you find out that NONE of the parts will be factory installed.

Oops.

[mbrunner]

Originally Posted by pissclams

Given that the only exterior changes on the Kia2C are around the grille area, I’d think that most of the new M parts will fit the 16/18 M2.

Yeah this is true but for some reason I don't think the N55 M2 is worthy of that look

I will be curious on pricing though. There is already a CF roof option available for our cars anyway that would probably cost a fraction of the price installed over this option and it looks a tad better imho. But that trunk/hood is where its at.

Originally Posted by Spa2k

Until you find out that NONE of the parts will be factory installed.

Oops.

LOL Yeah could deal with Port installed I think but Dealer installed for the Roof option specifically could be sketch really depends on the dealer.

Originally Posted by Josh84

Haha it actually had the opposite effect on me.

(1) I'm now more convinced than ever what a bargain buy an M4 Competition would be.

(2) The cost of a fully speced M2 Competition also means that it now makes more sense (for me) to move on to a 718 Cayman S when the time comes.

Win win.

I can get down with that. When I was shopping I looked at the GT350, Corvette Grand Sport, M2 and then used market looked at 997 Turbo/981 Cayman S or GTS and some other cars.

The M2 @ $54k USD was such a good value performance/dollar and comforts for DD over the others. At the time, if the price of the M2 were any higher I was already convinced I would not have even considered it and would have upped my budget for something else.

I think with what I know now about the M2C if I were in the market that price would probably be $60-65k max before I consider other cars and the M2C wouldn't even be on my Radar. (Still talking base price, I don't mind spending some dollars post purchase on visual/performance enhancements over time)

[as7920]

Originally Posted by mbrunner

If you were mad at the new model announcement DO NOT look at the M Parts catalog it will just pour a bit more salt on the wound

Yup, I'm fuming.

[SloppyMitt]

I bought a 2018 LCI and it feels like I got robbed after seeing the Canadian pricing for the 2019 m2c. Minimal base price increase for significantly better seats, brakes, and engine. I will definitely be looking at Porsche for my next car.

[S1monQc]

Originally Posted by SloppyMitt

I bought a 2018 LCI and it feels like I got robbed after seeing the Canadian pricing for the 2019 m2c. Minimal base price increase for significantly better seats, brakes, and engine. I will definitely be looking at Porsche for my next car.

When we compare apples to apples, price increase is 5300$ from 66 950$ to 72 250$ (when we include adaptive headlights, Apple CarPlay and Harman Kardon sound system) which is a 8% price increase.

New wheels is purely taste related (personnaly I prefer the 437M), new brakes are cool, but only worth it if you track the car significantly (I do not, only a couple of times in the futur and stock brakes with better pads are very good already), the seats may be better, but taste related aswell, not a big difference tbh, and the S55 engine which may be a huge plus if tracking the car (for some people), which I don't. The sound is a huge part of the experience and the N55 sounds so damn good to me.

The M2 Comp also do not feature M Performance exhaust for now IIRC.

I own a LCI and I do not feel robbed at all. We are talking about a car with upgraded parts, but with a price bump aswell. But to me, I prefer the look of the LCI and the price point was very important for me so jumping in the 72K base model is a serious bump, too.

My 2 cents.

[S1monQc]

Also, since the new entry price of the M2 is 71-72K in Canada now, it means the value of the base M2 will stay strong (talking about Canada). There will surely be buyers looking for an M2 at a lower price point that won't need track only equipments (new seats, brakes) and this is where the base M2 is at.

The whole price point is super important and I'm kinda relieved the new M2 Comp is >70K base.

[THEROK]

Read the OP's post on page 1. I'd be pissed off as well. Not at BMW, but at myself for the poor timing. C'est la vie.

While I don't own an M2, if I were in the market a few years from now, I'd def only look to buy the one with the S55 engine. This, in my view, is a significant upgrade way beyond skin deep. I currently own a 2018 ZCP M4 without batting an eye at the M4 CS because it's a marginal hp upgrade while a downgrade aesthetically compared to the fully M Perf aerokitted M4.

Happy for M2 Comp buyers! Sucks for the LCI N55 M2 crew.

[amancuso]

Originally Posted by THEROK

Read the OP's post on page 1. I'd be pissed off as well. Not at BMW, but at myself for the poor timing. C'est la vie.

While I don't own an M2, if I were in the market a few years from now, I'd def only look to buy the one with the S55 engine. This, in my view, is a significant upgrade way beyond skin deep. I currently own a 2018 ZCP M4 without batting an eye at the M4 CS because it's a marginal hp upgrade while a downgrade aesthetically compared to the fully M Perf aerokitted M4.

Happy for M2 Comp buyers! Sucks for the LCI N55 M2 crew.

I call BS on your assessment, unless you don't know what you're talking about. the M4 ZCP has 435HP and the M4CS has 453HP which is just shy of 20HP. And the M4CS is lighter than the M4/ZCP

M2 has 365HP and M2C will have 405HP 40 HP difference.
The M2C is heavier than the M2.

YMMV.