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05-24-2017, 04:44 AM | #69 |
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Anyone have a comparison between the 6MT and DCT in the M2 in terms of response? I owned a manual F80 and compared to the DCT M4 cars I raced at the M driver training on track, the manual did not feel as snappy or responsive. It's like the DCT is suited much better to the S55. There is the response as I mentioned and both were in sport mode but then there is the turbo coming off boost factor. I found the throttle to be quite numb/muted/Heavy even in sport/sport plus but the DCT cars more sensitive and snappy. I compared in same mode, same gear etc.
If I was to have a M3 or M4 again I would choose DCT for the above reasons. Would it be the same for the M2 or does the manual suit the N55 and smaller size of the M2? |
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05-24-2017, 04:48 AM | #70 | |
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Also the power delivery didnt feel as linnear with the manual. I have to put some more drivinghours before I can't change my order anymore |
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Did you notice the throttle response felt more muted or heavy. Kind of like comparing NA to turbo in a way? This was my experience of manual vs dct in the M4 |
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05-24-2017, 06:07 AM | #72 | |
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In Comfort mode I think I'm experiencing this in upshifts. The engine lose all steam for a short while. In Sport/Sport+ it's not a problem for me though. Here's my thinking on the matter. Last year I bought a DCT M2 and couldn't figure out the manual shifting at all. It was impossible for me to work out if I had the right gear in and that sort of thing. Manual shifting the DCT was just not natural to me. So... I sold that and bought a manual M2. You know what? I still struggled somehow in certain situations. It was harder than I remembered it to be. I hadn't really driven a stick for almost 8 years. Then I went to this track day experience where they had M3/M4 with DCT. I thought oh no, I will struggle with this. But no, now it all felt very natural and I loved the DCT in manual mode. It's not that I dislike the 6MT or anything. It's great fun. But in all honesty I would now rather have the DCT M2 back... I guess I needed some 6MT driving to get the feel for the gears back. So strange. |
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05-24-2017, 05:52 PM | #74 | ||
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Shifting up is by pulling the lever down on my wife's Auto. I'm too used to using the stick shift to change. |
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05-24-2017, 08:38 PM | #75 |
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Up? Down?...which logic is better? My friends Audi is opposite as well. If you own both brands good luck keeping your brain straight when switching cars, especially early in the morning w/out coffee.
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05-24-2017, 09:08 PM | #76 | |
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05-24-2017, 10:07 PM | #77 | |
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I read the BMW way seems more logical (shift up is by flicking down and shift down is by flicking up) due to acceleration and braking g forces - but man it is confusing on the wife's ZF 8 speed auto after using the DSG on the Golf and the Tiguan before that. Good thing I am getting the manual on the M2. I had a manual Evo 8MR years ago and bought into the hype of DSG with the Nissan GTR but it never seemed as involving to drive. Conversely, my last Fiesta ST was a blast to drive with the stick shift - even though it wasn't very fast. I have driven PDK and manual Boxster S and always preferred the stick - it just clicked. Neither the Evo nor the Fiesta had as good a manual box as the Boxster - so I am hoping the rubbery feel of the M2 manual won't detract too much. It was tough enough even getting an M DCT M2 for a test drive. |
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05-25-2017, 02:29 AM | #78 | |
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05-25-2017, 02:49 AM | #79 |
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I've been told late July. Car has been built. Now waiting to go on a ship but it is taking a scenic route.. through the US and Panama Canal before it gets here.
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05-25-2017, 05:57 AM | #80 | |
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05-25-2017, 06:38 AM | #81 | |
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The last BMW manual I drove was my friend's M5 V8. I didn't think it was that bad actually. I was merely repeating what some guy wrote about the M2 manual. |
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05-25-2017, 09:30 AM | #82 |
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Don't worry, you will like it, not rubbery at all. Not as mechanical feeling as my old E28 535, but then again that was a 1987 (which btw had it's original clutch at 230K when I sold it to my buddy). Overall, I find it very precise and enjoyable with the throws just about right if a bit long as is the clutch pedal which some mod with a stop I understand.
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05-25-2017, 09:42 AM | #83 |
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with DCT being an extra $3900 it was an easy win for the manual. It shifts beautifully and rev matching is awesome. The way cars seem to be going and the manual dying a slow death I will drive it while I still can and keep my 4 grand. DCT with a .2 of a second 0-60 is irrelevant in the grand scheme. I can't think of any other reason for dct other than faster shifts. I know others have mentioned traffic etc. so unfortunately OP your question is fairly subjective but I think you have a ton of opinions to read through at this point.
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05-25-2017, 10:47 AM | #84 | |
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My train of thought is the same as yours. For 4K, I would rather save that money and put it towards other mods. If it was a no cost option or even 1K, I think I would've opted for the DCT though. |
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05-25-2017, 11:19 AM | #85 | |
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Thats what I ended up getting. Then proceeded to spend that difference (I suspect more) on the M Performance exhaust system and the M Performance Alcantara wheel with LED display. Yes BMWs are pricier in Australia |
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The owner simply should take care not to ever leave the transmission in gear and leave the parking brake on. This has been the case since the advent of remote start technology.. |
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