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1. In terms of tuning - a few things come into play: a) in regards to table access if you have a good tuner with MHD they will have a DAMOS of the ecu you have and thereby giving them perfectly mapped access to all of the tables available on the ecu. With BM3 and Ecutek the tables are predefined (I think a few are still missing but not critical to tuning, because not every ecu table is tuning related). Now this is the tricky part, not every MHD tuner (from what I have seen in the past) has all of the tables or even the same tables - some have more some have less, likely because tuners are extremely busy with work and tune more than just 1 platform. So they don't spend alot of time in table discovery mode to build up their own table base to its full potential and just use predefined XDF files + their own personalizations (essentially defining only tables that will be used for tuning the engine to make more power, pretty much what BM3 and ecutek have predefined) so some tables are missing. Is this super critical? No because not all tables are used for making power - remember not all the thousands of ecu tables are used for power making, alot of them are used for hardware calibration settings and pretty much only a small fraction of those thousands of tables will ever been tuned or altered. Personally I still prefer having all the tables + when the tuning companies predefine all the tables because it puts less burden on the tuner and just allows them to focus on tuning for their customers and to experiment with things. This also makes it easier for a customer to find a tuner, not having to worry one tuner is more advantaged than another but not knowing which one. I'm also certain that BM3 will eventually put every single possible table that is available on the ECU into their table editor, they put a massive effort into making their new table editor so incredibly excellent I wouldn't be surprised if very soon they had all the tables (this is another reason why I am so impressed with BM3, the rate they are progressing is astounding). b) Table editor: a good table editor makes it easier for the tuner to make changes accurately, and quickly. This puts less work load on them and allows them to be more efficent thereby being less faitgued and dial things in better. This is where ECUTEK and BM3 shine, they have superb table editors with very good logic for smoothing and interpolation. Personally I think both of these new table editors outshine tuner pro. c) Logic code: on ECUTEK the racerom logic has been proven on some of the fastest cars in the world, so I think it is superior to all current platforms. However BM3 recently is making the right hires and are catching up fast in terms of improving existing code and brining in new features. So I think there is a chance BM3 catches ECUTEK. MHD is making progress but they seem to be alot quieter. Overall in the aspect of tuning if you have a good tuner making the maps, the base changes to a car from all 3 tunes should be the same because we are making changes to the same finite ecu tables. Where the difference really comes in is the features and support, and this is where BM3 and ECUTEK pull ahead of MHD imo, and recently where I think BM3 is starting to develop the edge in becoming the best overall platform. Lets quickly get into this (I'm not going to put too much detail into this): 1) BM3 has developed a really nice new GUI, making the app alot cleaner, smoother, and overall better to use. I think this is the best app I have ever seen GUI wise, it is so nice! I recently saw BM3's team video youtube and they really are putting in a massive hiring campaign in over the last few years to push BM3 into the next level. 2) Support BM3 and ECUTEK use atlassian's Jira software, this allows them to take care of support request amd bug fixes in a super clean and high level way. This is also how massive billion dollar companies handle support ticket requests, and this is how you offer excellent customer service to customers and to tuners. This also ties into their developement side as well so it essentially allows their entire team to be managed via atlassian's management software keeping everyone on the same page while working and aware of any bugs, so customer service can relay problems to upper level easier. This is so much more advanced than just email threads. 3) Features: BM3 has lag between shift fix (from what I can tell no one else offers this yet), a nice editor, and very nice new hardware (Flex fuel canbus interface and wifi adapter) MHD has PI coil shut off, and a new nice wifi adapter -- And the big one is that MHD and BM3 let you change these features without a tuner, and this is a massive one for me because I hate ecutek's heavy reliance on the tuner. Ecutek hasn't launched anything new as of yet. Anyways this was just a quick overview, I have alot more to say but it would be alot to say. So in summary I think the other 2 (MHD and BM3) have recently made a massive stride towards ecutek, and are right there now, and in some cases far exceed ecutek (user customization rather than relying on a tuner, OTS maps, GUI + a bunch of super nice features - for BM3). So personally I wouldn't trade in these other 2 platforms for ecutek just yet, the tuning scene is developing so fast right now. In fact I'm personally now leaning towards BM3 and have plans to switch to them from MHD, because I really really believe in the progress they're making. I've seen their youtube videos, I've seen their news releases, I've seen their commitment to be better with the massive hires they made which have lead to a monsterous increase in capability, and I'm convinced they're going to be the best tuning platform in the near future. Ecutek just isn't really for me because it is so tuner reliant.
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I can 2nd this sentiment. I just had Bend Calibration, utilizing ECUTek, finalize tuning of my LCI M2 with a newly installed TTE 460 turbo. They were extremely responsive, patient, professional and diligent. It always felt like they were as patient and determined to achieve my particular power goals as I was. I understand though that those who are knowledgeable enough may be inclined to "DIY" the tuning themselves, which is not an option for the typical ECUTek client.
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- You want to change TMAP sensors? You need a tuner. - You just got a new HPFP? Well guess what you need a tuner. - You got a new coil kit - guess what? Tuner. - You got new injectors? Tuner. - You want to change burbles or if rev match is on in different driving modes? Tuner. This can also be horrific if it's during a holiday and your tuner is away, or if you are like me and fiddle with settings non-stop. It will also suck if your tuner is really busy and can't make the change for you right away. This is a complaint unrelated to bend, but more a limitation towards ecutek.
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My car is currently in the shop. Pure750, dorche stage 2, MHD flex fuel sensor, FTP inlet, Diverter Valve, and intercooler are being installed.
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But I think the reason why bm3 are able to push so far ahead of the others right now, is because of the major hires they have made. They have so much talent behind them it's allowing them to make massive leaps and bounds - and really quickly too. For instance they released flex fuel and the advanced features even sooner than MHD, despite MHD announcing them first. They've done this exact thing on other platforms like the supra too. So that goes to show how committed bm3 is to getting better and being the best, they're really investing heavily into bm3 and not sitting back on their laurels.
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Load based tuning is also better than boost based in my opinion. My car will change valve timing, timing, fuel and boost to meet the load requirements and power it needs to. |
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You can get load based tuning on BM3 as well - if you custom tune, all of the tables are there and you can tune it for load based if you wanted to.
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Or does it still persist? Should probably move most of this discussion to the mhd tuning thread vs pure 750. Might get their attention I got you Eric..^ Last edited by VGSON; 04-18-2023 at 06:25 PM.. |
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Bm3 allows you to drive normally (foot off gas before shifting) and still retain the lag fix. Mhd isn't active on the forum anymore, and we've already asked for the lag fix and they've only brought in no lift shift. when I asked years ago they also told me NLS was their upcoming fix and that was it. The only mhd platform with true lag fix was the n54 with the shift bog fix. Otherwise you'll have to go bm3 if you want true shift lag fix. So I gave up on MHD, and imo BM3 is way better at bringing in customer requested features.
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