[SW19]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

The answer to B58 in the LCI is NO. Now we get to thread jack with more interesting questions.

The only thing that ynguldyn has confirmed is that the MY19 M2 will have a CS version with the S55 engine.He still hasn't said what the MY18 LCI changes will be and also what engine the car will have.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

The only thing that ynguldyn has confirmed is that the MY19 M2 will have a CS version with the S55 engine.He still hasn't said what the MY18 LCI changes will be and also what engine the car will have.

don't think that is relevant in this case, but he did already state it'll be a "mild refresh" just this month. The M2 LCI (as well as all other BMW model LCIs since the beginning of time) will simply adopt the core model's common bits. We know of changes in lighting, iDrive, climate controls, in the 2/3 series.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

don't think that is relevant in this case, but he did already state it'll be a "mild refresh" just this month. The M2 LCI (as well as all other BMW model LCIs since the beginning of time) will simply adopt the core model's common bits. We know of changes in lighting, iDrive, climate controls, in the 2/3 series.

Yep,he already confirmed in the M2 CS thread that the MY18 M2 will still have the N55 engine.

[Levente_CSL]

no the standard m2 wont have any engine update . M2 LCI will be the CS. please try to understand this

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Levente_CSL

no the standard m2 wont have any engine update . M2 LCI will be the CS. please try to understand this

So MY2018 LCI M2=CS?

I thought:
MY18 LCI M2 (N55)
MY19 M2CS(S55)

???

Cheers
Robin

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Levente_CSL

M2 LCI will be the CS. please try to understand this

Nah.

CS comes out a year after LCI.

2-series gets the LCI.

M2 shares 2-series LCI changes.

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

So MY2018 LCI M2=CS?

I thought:
MY18 LCI M2 (N55)
MY19 M2CS(S55)

???

Cheers
Robin

This was confirmed in the CS thread by . MY19 CS (2018 calendar year) and MY18 M2 LCI (calendar year 2017).

see here:

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=114

Originally Posted by Gatte

Now that we have some sort of confirmation that the M2 CS will get the detuned S55 and not a tuned N55 (Version in the M2), we can be a little more confident that the N55 in the M2 is not capable of putting out 400 HP in a way that the BMW engineers want it to.

I know you said "in a way BMW engineers want it to" but it's probably a bit of a stretch to assume this. If Dinan can make 450 with their big turbo, offer a warranty, and maintain the same response, I'm pretty sure BMW M division could have figured it out. Hell, we've already seen dyno graphs suggesting 385HP (330-335 WHP). It isn't that hard to massage the turbo into an extra 15 or more while maintaining throttle response or shifting it slightly to, say, 16-1800 RPM instead of 1400.

I'd venture to guess that it was probably easier to justify to the bean counters to use an existing engine that already makes that power than change the turbo in the base car or the B58.

[kiysersosae]

One more for open / closed deck argument

When I check the cylindrical head gasket, which should be different if it's closed deck, the part number shows as used on many vehicles. I know they technically could use it but you would have thought it would be a standalone part number for a closed deck motor

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/par...&q=11127599212

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by kiysersosae

One more for open / closed deck argument

When I check the cylindrical head gasket, which should be different if it's closed deck, the part number shows as used on many vehicles. I know they technically could use it but you would have thought it would be a standalone part number for a closed deck motor

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/par...&q=11127599212

Already pointed out. BMWNA already reaffirmed the closed deck and further mentioned that the N55 head gasket did not require changes for the closed deck.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by blackholescion

or the B58.

They need more time on the B58. Coincides well with EOP plans.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by swagon

Y'all never gonna close the deck on this subject, are you?

Has anyone contacted BMW AG or M GmbH to put this to an end?

This isn't an " open deck" subject ? :

[kiysersosae]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Already pointed out. BMWNA already reaffirmed the closed deck and further mentioned that the N55 head gasket did not require changes for the closed deck.

Cool

[Gatte]

Just heard back from the second dealership. The SA told me that the foreman or the technicians were not sure if the engine block was open or closed. He told me that the training material they have reference the N55B30T0 version but still shows the open deck design.

They were told that the engine in the M2 is the same as what was in the M235i but that there were a few parts that were different (this is SA lingo and not the technician/foreman). He told me he will know for sure and let me know when they get to open up an engine.

[M5XDRIVE]

Originally Posted by kiysersosae

OMG! it's the forum police,im so sorry officer.

Bro, it's 1 year warranty! DUH!

[kiysersosae]

Originally Posted by mangofreshh

Bro, it's 1 year warranty! DUH!

WTF - 1year

[Artemis]

Cross-reference (BMWNA website got updated): http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...8#post21239938

[///M2Seoul]

Thought the point in this article ties with this thread:

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...w-m2-spy-shots

It's interesting because the article alludes to a rumor about the 2018 M2 potentially upgrading to a M-enhanced B58 motor. Since the B58 stressed temperature management, it makes sense that the high performance M2 would upgrade to that motor. Also the fact that the B58 produces the same amount of torque (369 lb-ft) in the M240i as the M2 in overboost, suggests that the M2 is in need of an upgrade.

We know that the competitors, namely the RS3 and future AMG CLA 45, are coming out with 400+ hp, the M2 needs to also up the ante. The M2 CS going up against the RS3 and AMG CLA 45 doesn't make any sense IMO. But an upgraded M-enhanced B58 motored M2 pumping around 400 hp does. I think the M2 CS compares more to a hotter AMG CLA 45 Black Edition, if Mercedes ever decides to make one.

What do you guys think? I think it'd be pretty cool for BMW to go with the B58 and also produce an even hotter CS version just in case Audi or Mercedes decides to come out with their hotter versions.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Just heard back from the second dealership. The SA told me that the foreman or the technicians were not sure if the engine block was open or closed. He told me that the training material they have reference the N55B30T0 version but still shows the open deck design.

They were told that the engine in the M2 is the same as what was in the M235i but that there were a few parts that were different (this is SA lingo and not the technician/foreman). He told me he will know for sure and let me know when they get to open up an engine.

Are you trying to encourage another endless debate?

I am pretty sure there has been confirmation from BMW that the N55 is closed deck (not just the BMWNA marketing material) - too lazy to look up that in all the endless threads on this issue, feel free. But let's leave that to those other threads... and who cares anyway? This thread is kind of petering out anyway since Scott26 has confirmed the N55 in the LCI.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

Are you trying to encourage another endless debate?

I am pretty sure there has been confirmation from BMW that the N55 is closed deck (not just the BMWNA marketing material) - too lazy to look up that in all the endless threads on this issue, feel free. But let's leave that to those other threads... and who cares anyway? This thread is kind of petering out anyway since Scott26 has confirmed the N55 in the LCI.

That was a very old response. But let's forget about the open deck/closed deck topic. For every material that has the closed deck reference, there's probably 2 that point to an open deck design.

The M2 is a very nice car as is and I couldn't care less if it had open deck/closed deck/semi closed deck etc.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

Are you trying to encourage another endless debate?
I am pretty sure there has been confirmation from BMW that the N55 is closed deck (not just the BMWNA marketing material) - too lazy to look up that in all the endless threads on this issue, feel free. But let's leave that to those other threads... and who cares anyway? This thread is kind of petering out anyway since Scott26 has confirmed the N55 in the LCI.

The one below has a dead deck.

[Artemis]

Cross-reference (BMWNA website got updated + BMWNA confirmed that the M2 engine (N55B30T0) has indeed an 'open deck' design): http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1328493

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by blackholescion

This was confirmed in the CS thread by . MY19 CS (2018 calendar year) and MY18 M2 LCI (calendar year 2017).

see here:

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=114

I know you said "in a way BMW engineers want it to" but it's probably a bit of a stretch to assume this. If Dinan can make 450 with their big turbo, offer a warranty, and maintain the same response, I'm pretty sure BMW M division could have figured it out. Hell, we've already seen dyno graphs suggesting 385HP (330-335 WHP). It isn't that hard to massage the turbo into an extra 15 or more while maintaining throttle response or shifting it slightly to, say, 16-1800 RPM instead of 1400.

I'd venture to guess that it was probably easier to justify to the bean counters to use an existing engine that already makes that power than change the turbo in the base car or the B58.

Dinan doesnt have to ensure your car gets " X " mpg on the Way to the grocery store either ..