[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by Pyrat 2

Keep thinking optimistically. Highly doubt they would add the S55 in stock M2 form unless they were to crank the price way up. Maybe in a GTS though which naturally would command a higher price. The S55 is much more expensive than an N55 derived engine so making it part of the base car wouldn't make a lot of sense. It would significantly reduce M4 sales and likely demand for the M2 because of the necessary higher price. Guess its possible though. But my money says IF 'S55' THEN 'M2 GTS'.

Since BMW does not make much (if any) money on the M2... why do so many assume they want their 'halo' 2 series car to continue to have such a marginal price differential - stealing sales from the more profitable M240i? Makes more sense to bump up the M2 in range - either as an enhanced base model or only offering it in CS or GTS form.

In any case, if they replace the N55 with the S55 in the base car, the price bump will not drive down the MY 2016/17 resale. And if it is marginally profitable now... you can bet they will not have a small price bump.

I also don't see a reason to replace the N55 with the B58 in the base M2 and keep the price low... as that again will again cannibalize the M240i sales into a less profitable car.

I am not worried in any way. All the future possibilities do not change the fact my MY2017 chugging its way across the Atlantic will be a fantastic car!

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by quikM2

What's the big deal with the LED tails? Are they better function wise or is it just an aesthetics thing?

lower power consumption, brighter, longer lasting

[mrcheezle19]

At the end of the day at least my M2 won't sound like someone farting in a kazoo underwater.

I'll add LED tails and enjoy.

[Sebis]

Originally Posted by Twix

I'm only an electrician, but how exactly does the LEDs illuminate faster? Electrons move at the same speed

I am only an electrical engineer, the incandescent lights need more time to achieve full brightens, it is not about the electrons, it is about the temperature of the filament required to achieve full brightness, we are talking milliseconds but they do count in an emergency.

[csbear]

Originally Posted by mrcheezle19

At the end of the day at least my M2 won't sound like someone farting in a kazoo underwater.

I'll add LED tails and enjoy.

[SeanWRT]

I have been a firm believer of using the smallest turbo to achieve target boost within its efficiency zone, so the turbo response could be best.

But with m2 n55, for the very first time, I feel the turbo is too small even for stock power level. I really think B58 turbo is of the perfect size for 15-16psi & 370-390 "BMW" crank hp, which LCI m2 should get.

[Rupes]

Why assume this is an S55 exhaust and not a B58 M2 exhaust?

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by Artemis

My guesstimate: MY2018 M2 CS gets a detuned S55 engine (± 400 hp), some lightweight bits and pieces here and there + the 2er LCI features.

Exactly what I've been thinking. Then the M3/4 gets a bump in HP, leaving plenty of room between the models.

Artemis what's your guesstimate in price?

[ilovewagons]

Originally Posted by Rupes

Why assume this is an S55 exhaust and not a B58 M2 exhaust?

B58 is twin scroll turbo, single exhaust manifold equals one downpipe and a single exhaust track. S55 is two turbos, two downpipes and two separate exhaust tracks. The exhausts are distinctly different. There is a 99% chance the pictured vehicle has an S55 engine and that it sounds just like the M3/4. Which makes me very happy. If they switch over the S55 after 1.5 model years, I will quite happily accept being the owner of a now limited M car, noted as being the first truly great M car of its generation, and the best sounding. Yes please.

More likely, it's an end of lifecycle special model and heralds the end of the current 1 and 2 series chassis.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

B58 is twin scroll turbo, single exhaust manifold equals one downpipe and a single exhaust track. S55 is two turbos, two downpipes and two separate exhaust tracks. The exhausts are distinctly different. There is a 99% chance the pictured vehicle has an S55 engine and that it sounds just like the M3/4. Which makes me very happy. If they switch over the S55 after 1.5 model years, I will quite happily accept being the owner of a now limited M car, noted as being the first truly great M car of its generation, and the best sounding. Yes please.

More likely, it's an end of lifecycle special model and heralds the end of the current 1 and 2 series chassis.

I disagree.Just because the car pictured has a similar/same back box to the f80/82,it doesn't mean it's got the S55 engine,baring in mind this is some kind of test mule it could have the B58 with a twin turbo set up under test for a CS model or any combination thereof.

I do agree with you about the "limited" M car anology but for different reasons,personally I think the first generation of M2 will looked down as a bit of a performance compromise with the N55 and the one that had the iffy back-lit instrument cluster

[Ramos]

Here is what will tell the answer to this puzzle:

The X4 M40i uses the the same N55 as the M2. That car is not due for an LCI anytime soon.
But if they're fazing out that engine in favor of either an S55 or B58 variants, we'll be seeing test mules of the X4 with the new engines soon.

If we do not, then the M2 LCI (base) version and the X4 will both carry on with the N55

[MMMBRAP]

My bet is the B58 goes in for MY2018 LCI. Makes zero sense to keep the N55 around for only two models, imo.

S55, even in detuned format, seems more likely for M2 CS.

Love the OLEDs; now offer the sunroof on US-Spec MY2018 LCI's.

Either way, looks like I'll continue to wait for LCI.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by MMMBRAP

My bet is the B58 goes in for MY2018 LCI. Makes zero sense to keep the N55 around for only two models, imo.
:

Plausible to change, but not for those reasons obviously - look at history. The decision heavily depends on M engineering's progress on all their goals with a performance version of the B58.

[termigni]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

Since BMW does not make much (if any) money on the M2... why do so many assume they want their 'halo' 2 series car to continue to have such a marginal price differential - stealing sales from the more profitable M240i? Makes more sense to bump up the M2 in range - either as an enhanced base model or only offering it in CS or GTS form.

In any case, if they replace the N55 with the S55 in the base car, the price bump will not drive down the MY 2016/17 resale. And if it is marginally profitable now... you can bet they will not have a small price bump.

I also don't see a reason to replace the N55 with the B58 in the base M2 and keep the price low... as that again will again cannibalize the M240i sales into a less profitable car.

I am not worried in any way. All the future possibilities do not change the fact my MY2017 chugging its way across the Atlantic will be a fantastic car!

how do you know if BMW isn't making much money on M2? this isn't a LFA with some crazy technologies applied to a limited production. M2 is a parts bin car. they really aren't spending that much money to produce this car.

[Reedomn]

I love this thread.

[QLAbot]

Originally Posted by Pyrat 2

Keep thinking optimistically. Highly doubt they would add the S55 in stock M2 form unless they were to crank the price way up. Maybe in a GTS though which naturally would command a higher price. The S55 is much more expensive than an N55 derived engine so making it part of the base car wouldn't make a lot of sense. It would significantly reduce M4 sales and likely demand for the M2 because of the necessary higher price. Guess its possible though. But my money says IF 'S55' THEN 'M2 GTS'.

Love the boolean logic This has always been exactly my thinking too. Judging by the lack of camo wrap on the aforementioned vehicle, I'm leaning towards a GTS model, as they aren't typically that different cosmetically speaking. /speculation

[gtaM2]

what if BMW in the future adds all customizable options to the M2 along with the S55 engine and a hard top convertible and then gets rid of the M4 alltogether, hey you never know imo this would be the way to go IF they are going as far as to change the engine

assuming a more expensive M2 S55 it doesnt seem like any sense to continue with a M2, M3, M4 all in the lineup

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Twix

I'm only an electrician, but how exactly does the LEDs illuminate faster? Electrons move at the same speed

This is a good read
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/811712

[M2Dynamic]

Originally Posted by QLAbot

Love the boolean logic This has always been exactly my thinking too. Judging by the lack of camo wrap on the aforementioned vehicle, I'm leaning towards a GTS model, as they aren't typically that different cosmetically speaking. /speculation

Really? I thought the M4 GTS was camo'd A lot more than this if I remember correctly. I think they would at least keep the GTS trend going and have some sort of front lip and rear wing and probably different wheels. Although this could just be them testing the engine out then adding cosmetic modifications later. Who knows. Idk how they go about this it's all just pure speculation which sucks because we're just basically going to be speculating for a year. Mannnnn they should just tell the owners of the M2's now what the plan is so we can decide what's best for us. That would be TRUE customer service- A man can only wish though lol

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by termigni

how do you know if BMW isn't making much money on M2? this isn't a LFA with some crazy technologies applied to a limited production. M2 is a parts bin car. they really aren't spending that much money to produce this car.

There have been a lot of threads on this, but I don't have time to hunt them down and link them. It requires a lot of install off the line - which takes $$$. It may take from the "parts bin" but it is a really nice parts bin (M3/M4 braking and suspension) . I don't know about in other countries, but the price differential between the M235i and M2 here in Canada was pretty small given all the "parts bin" upgrades... and I imagine it is smaller with the M240i.

What was your source stating they aren't spending that much money to produce this car? I would be interested in seeing that.

[M3 Number 86]

Already? Lol

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by Ramos

Here is what will tell the answer to this puzzle:

The X4 M40i uses the the same N55 as the M2. That car is not due for an LCI anytime soon.
But if they're fazing out that engine in favor of either an S55 or B58 variants, we'll be seeing test mules of the X4 with the new engines soon.

If we do not, then the M2 LCI (base) version and the X4 will both carry on with the N55

Sanity right here and good point I'd forgotten too. BMW wouldn't have released this or the M2 if the N55 needed to 'go' so soon!

Is this hype mainly because the exhaust tips have the slightly downwards sant like on. The M3/4 on this LCI?