[chris719]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

S54 and S65 are both closed decks.

Indeed, but it didn't stop them from throwing rods through the block on a regular basis (rod bearing failure).

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by DivideBYZero

Did the S54 have a closed or open deck? The S65? Open or closed? I have not one fucking clue, but I'll tell you this; I loved owning and driving them, just as I'll continue to enjoy my N55 M2, block type be dammed.

Anyone claiming a buy back or "false advertising" claim is an idiot.

[NOLAGUY]

Originally Posted by chris719

Indeed, but it didn't stop them from throwing rods through the block on a regular basis (rod bearing failure).

I will bet the head gasket was still nice and sealed as the rod blew a whole through the side. Thanks to the closed deck.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by flyaway

So for now, BMW in its wisdom and highest respect for the fans has the M-sport line, the M performance line, the cheap M line (with an ordinary engine and missing other small bits ), the CS line (where you finally might get a real M motor), the limited and overpriced GTS line or simply the other huge automatic and AWD only “real” M cars or SUVs …

The future seems very bright for future FWD based, automatic, 4 cyl , 2 tons+ future M cars, especially with the resigned and defensive attitude of the unconditional fan boys, willing to swallow anything for the M badge... This is the new BMW we all are supporting/creating... not for more as far as I'm concerned

I am supporting the BMW that makes awesome driving cars like the M2... which has rave reviews from professionals and skilled amateurs (and loved by rank amateurs like me)... and that they continue to produce cars with RWD and manual transmission available. Cars that put overall performance and how everything works together ahead of arbitrary tick box engineering.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by NOLAGUY

I will bet the head gasket was still nice and sealed as the rod blew a whole through the side. Thanks to the closed deck.

Wouldn't it be the opposite?

[DETRoadster]

Originally Posted by DivideBYZero

Anyone claiming a buy back or "false advertising" claim is an idiot.

Exactly! And then what? So you manage to get BMW to reimburse you your $52k, you hand the car over, and then what? I guess you take the bus home with your $52k and start shopping the Craigslist adds for something on the used market that competes since there sure as hell isn't anything new that brings the same performance and fun for the price.

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by flyaway

So for now, BMW in its wisdom and highest respect for the fans has the M-sport line, the M performance line, the cheap M line (with an ordinary engine and missing other small bits ), the CS line (where you finally might get a real M motor),

Wait, you think the S55 is a real M motor? What are you talking about?!?!?

The N55 has genuine racing pedigree and heritage. It has raced in some of the most famous enduro races in the world - Thunderhill, Bathurst, the Ring. It is in a factory backed customer racing program via the M235i Racing - bone stock! - and is currently competing in the Pirelli World Challenge.

I don't want a fake M engine like the S55. I want a real one with racing pedigree. Remember what the M stands for....Motorsports, not Motorfarts.

[RPM2-85]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

Wait, you think the S55 is a real M motor? What are you talking about?!?!?

The N55 has genuine racing pedigree and heritage. It has raced in some of the most famous enduro races in the world - Thunderhill, Bathurst, the Ring. It is in a factory backed customer racing program via the M235i Racing - bone stock! - and is currently competing in the Pirelli World Challenge.

I don't want a fake M engine like the S55. I want a real one with racing pedigree. Remember what the M stands for....Motorsports, not Motorfarts.

Bravo, the best....

[oldmanstyle]

Originally Posted by DivideBYZero

Did the S54 have a closed or open deck? The S65? Open or closed? I have not one fucking clue, but I'll tell you this; I loved owning and driving them, just as I'll continue to enjoy my N55 M2, block type be dammed.

Anyone claiming a buy back or "false advertising" claim is an idiot.

I think most everyone has already acknowledged that it's not a big deal in itself. The debate was due to the mystery of whether it exists because there was some evidence for both arguments, but no way to verify without tearing into an engine.

[DivideBYZero]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

But you forgot to mention that the fronts have 370mm rotors with 8 pot calipers ...

With the transverse engine so far forward in the chassis, it'll need them.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by DivideBYZero

With the transverse engine so far forward in the chassis, it'll need them.

Everything on that car is still biased towards the front end, so it beats me why Audi didn't put bigger/heavier rear discs on it just to balance the weight a bit more to to the rear end.....



Cheers
Robin

[flyaway]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

Wait, you think the S55 is a real M motor? What are you talking about?!?!?

The N55 has genuine racing pedigree and heritage. It has raced in some of the most famous enduro races in the world - Thunderhill, Bathurst, the Ring. It is in a factory backed customer racing program via the M235i Racing - bone stock! - and is currently competing in the Pirelli World Challenge.

I don't want a fake M engine like the S55. I want a real one with racing pedigree. Remember what the M stands for....Motorsports, not Motorfarts.

Yes, I mean the S55 is a real M motor, N55 is a good but ordinary engine from the BMW line up. As for the pedigree, you can keep it for your dog. If a cheaper motor like the N55 is used in some of the entry level race events like you mentioned it doesn't mean it is technically superior. Or more reliable for what is worth, trust me, I might know a thing or two about how actually the N55 performs on the Ring:

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by flyaway

Yes, I mean the S55 is a real M motor, N55 is a good but ordinary engine from the BMW line up. As for the pedigree, you can keep it for your dog. If a cheaper motor like the N55 is used in some of the entry level race events like you mentioned it doesn't mean it is technically superior. Or more reliable for what is worth, trust me, I might know a thing or two about how actually the N55 performs on the Ring:

Are you trying to look at the typical s55 broken crank hub in that picture?

You know what else is cheaper yet faster around the race track than a m4? The m2!

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

Are you trying to look at the typical s55 broken crank hub in that picture?

You know what else is cheaper yet faster around the race track than a m4? The m2!

That's an N55. The carbon fiber brace may have confused you.

[flyaway]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

Are you trying to look at the typical s55 broken crank hub in that picture?

You know what else is cheaper yet faster around the race track than a m4? The m2!

Pure gold man, like lots of others over here you know the theory of racing (you heard about and give example the M235 Racing) but you don't have the slightiest clue of the real life practice... You might have a second look at that picture...

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

That's an N55...

Good point, just saw the retrofitted cross brace and responded too quick.

[flyaway]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

Good point, just saw the retrofitted cross brace and responded too quick.

Yeah, you made a real, real good point, man. QED

P.S. and to quote you: ''Motorsports, not Motorfarts''

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by flyaway

Pure gold man, like lots of others over here you know the theory of racing (you heard about and give example the M235 Racing) but you don't have the slightiest clue of the real life practice... You might have a second look at that picture...

Happy to dice it up on track with you any time my friend. You might be surprised by my experience with "real life practices." There are very few with as many hours on track with the N55 as I do.

P.s. doing touring ring laps on the ring in your hatchback is not racing. But your opinion how great the stock brakes are on your car tells me all I need to know about your experience level.

[flyaway]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

Happy to dice it up on track with you any time my friend. You might be surprised by my experience with "real life practices." There are very few with as many hours on track with the N55 as I do.

P.s. doing touring ring laps on the ring in your hatchback is not racing. But your opinion how great the stock brakes are on your car tells me all I need to know about your experience level.

Yes indeed, over here we have the decency to have real fun with our daily drives and race with real race cars, not with SUVs prepared for months and totaled on the street. I refrain myself for further comments as you seem to be so butthurt and frustrated that you start being pathetically childish.

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by flyaway

Yes indeed, over here we have the decency to have real fun with our daily drives and race with real race cars, not with SUVs prepared for months and totaled on the street. I refrain myself for further comments as you seem to be so butthurt and frustrated that you start being pathetically childish.

Lol, you can't race with a daily driver. How's your FIA compliant fire suppression, cage, seat, and window net treating you on the street? You seem to be confused between racing and touring laps. Care to post video of your glorious racing endeavours? Perhaps one with you dicing it up with muller in your m135i?

[flyaway]

LOL, go back to your simulator and your ENORMOUS and BIG BRAKE analytical thread, race boy , it might partially compensate the small complex you seem to naturally have. You don’t have the slightest clue about the Nordschleife, real racing or what a N55 looks in a real race car by the way

[DivideBYZero]

Originally Posted by flyaway

Yes, I mean the S55 is a real M motor, N55 is a good but ordinary engine from the BMW line up. As for the pedigree, you can keep it for your dog. If a cheaper motor like the N55 is used in some of the entry level race events like you mentioned it doesn't mean it is technically superior. Or more reliable for what is worth, trust me, I might know a thing or two about how actually the N55 performs on the Ring:

That pic of how you ran that car without the oil cap is hilarious!