[Diver]

There is a tremendous amount of speculation here on an S55 for the M2 based on an exhaust which looks like M3/M4. My vote is an S55 version would be a GTS at a price at least as high as a base M4 if not more.

[Stu Pedasho]

Originally Posted by Nine Lives

My guess is the LCI will use the B58 because the N55 won't pass the 2018 EU emissions and the CS will use a modified 'S58'.

It wouldn't surprise me if the S55 is phased out altogether as the B58 has everything going for it,forged internals,closed deck,water to air intercooler etc.

I would think the natural or at least chronological successor for the N55 in the M2 application would be the the B58 engine since they are both produced at the Leipzig plant which means no tooling moves. A simple phase out of the N55.

The question then becomes ... is the B58 a new M2 base engine with just a minor HP/Torque upgrade and a small price increase for 2018MY? Or ... a super duper M2 with a little beast under the hood and a larger price increase of over $60k to alienate almost all of us? Hmmm....fun times.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by c63er

What would be genius is to keep the current m2 the way it is as a "base model" then release the s55 version with adaptive suspension, full array of colors and other goodies as a "cs" version.

Sort of like a 911 and a 911 gts sitting side by side.

Keeps everyone happy and gives us more choice and selection. I would imagine the profits would increase as well.

This. Though I am guessing it's getting a B58 derivative.

[Stu Pedasho]

Originally Posted by Jmbmw490

Idk to me I don't see any possible way they put an S55 in the base M2. Then it isn't a base M2 because the price will definitely increase significantly in my opinion and it defeats the purpose of the M2 which is honestly one of the best cars ever made for the money. That's the important part; for the price it is. No way they would sacrifice that for an S55. I think it's just testing for some kind of special edition. Just my guess.

This, honestly, makes the most sense. I don't think we can talk S55 in anything other than a hopped up M2 special edition. The B58 would be the logical choice for a "base" engine upgrade.

[amw896]

seriously, if this car gets the s55 in 2018 I am going to hate BMW for forcing me to buy the damn thing!!! Argh!

[John Tanglewood]

M2 owners are going to be pisssssed....I would be.

[termigni]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

There have been a lot of threads on this, but I don't have time to hunt them down and link them. It requires a lot of install off the line - which takes $$$. It may take from the "parts bin" but it is a really nice parts bin (M3/M4 braking and suspension) . I don't know about in other countries, but the price differential between the M235i and M2 here in Canada was pretty small given all the "parts bin" upgrades... and I imagine it is smaller with the M240i.

What was your source stating they aren't spending that much money to produce this car? I would be interested in seeing that.

without any source it's clear to see BMW didn't spend too much on R&D to produce this car (same goes to 1M) since it is a parts bin car. All costs on R&D(which is the majority of the cost on making a new car) were already spent on making other cars(2 series, M3/4).

BMW did mention the wider width of the M2 requires the factory to adjust the assembly line of the regular 2 series but the cost of this adjustment is only a fraction of developing brand new parts of its own(engine, chassis, suspension)

This is the reason I mentioned Lexus LFA. everything about LFA is all its own. they lost tons of money per car that was delivered to the customers because no parts are shared with any other Lexus range. they even created a new way to make carbon fiber instead of a traditional way just for this car.

M2 on the other hand, the widebody (cosmetics) is the only thing that's significant to this car. all were bought together from the bin with a great calibration by the engineers and test drivers.

[Gatte]

I really do want to know how we think BMW is not making money on the M2. Artemis, Can you chime in or point us to something that tells us whether or not BMW is not making enough money on the M2.

Not continuing the M4 and just having an M2 that can be highly customized is not going to work because there are a lot of people who want the bigger car and more interior room which you just cannot get with an M2.

I really think that the M2 or M2 CS/CSL/GTS will not get a major body change since it will be more expensive to retool their presses, retool and re-program the CNCs for the new weld points etc.. They will probably just add a wing, aero parts, remove some of the parts that can be removed, add in more CF parts to reduce weight and that's about it.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by Twix

I'm only an electrician, but how exactly does the LEDs illuminate faster? Electrons move at the same speed

https://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitst...C33?sequence=1

[raysspl]

Originally Posted by jtfields

What would the S55 do to the price?

Probably price increase of at least $300. Economies of scale will not make it more expensive.

Looking fwd to the s55 implementation on the LCI M2. Also, BMW, please bring in Melbourne Red, Valencia Orange, or Sakhir Orange to the M2.

[zenmaster]

Lots of ppl smoking crack in this thread.

[RPM2-85]

I love watching all the non M2 owners clamoring for the car in any way possible. ANYTHING BUT THE N55!! Even though its vastly different than any one before it..... Jealousy is the sincerest form of flattery and you all reek of it...... REEK!!

The S55 variant will be an expensive car. A B58 variant is probably more likely to happen.

Any way you slice it, the chassis is the best BMW makes right now, and the Parts bin analogy doesn't hold water in my view. Btwn the changes to the gearbox, the engine, and suspension unique to this car, it was a fully developed M product, so much so that it is faster than M4's around tracks. One could argue they needed to ENGINEER the car not to be too much faster than the big brother around a track. Skinnier tires was one sure fire way to do that for instance.

If you dont get all this, then you dont get the M2 for what it is. And if you want an S55 in the car, you now have lost all that is truly great about this car.

Price, sound, balance.

Keep waiting for the 65k S55 variant that sounds like, "someone farted in a Kazoo under water." Thats the best quote i've heard about it. I truly hate the S55 engine and I think it is a horrible power plant choice for this car. Work buddy has an M3 and I rip on him every time we drive to lunch in it.

[Anderw]

wooo I want new tail lights!!!!

[The H is Silent]

I'm going to be extremely speculative here, but it's not a shock if the LCI is a substantive upgrade on a few fronts. I think it is a safe assumption to say that BMW knows what is in their pipeline and didn't just wake up one day and say let's throw a B58 or S55 in the M2.

This internal knowledge is perhaps reflected in the residuals for M2 leases. I don't think I've seen a BMW in recent years with residuals as low as 50% after three years. If I were in BMW's shoes and knew that something that was markedly improved or much more appealing was coming, I wouldn't want a whole bunch of cars coming back at the end of the lease period, which might be the likely scenario if the residuals were in the high 50% or low 60% range.

To me, the surprise is that this is coming in year 2 rather than year 3.

[longkid]

So the poop exhaust sound from m3/4 would finally be heard from m2? No way...

[AndrewC1989]

well....shit....i'm taking delivery of my 2017 around thanksgiving. hope i don't get buttfucked by whatever the LCI is going to have.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by The H is Silent

This internal knowledge is perhaps reflected in the residuals for M2 leases. I don't think I've seen a BMW in recent years with residuals as low as 50% after three years. If I were in BMW's shoes and knew that something that was markedly improved or much more appealing was coming, I wouldn't want a whole bunch of cars coming back at the end of the lease period, which might be the likely scenario if the residuals were in the high 50% or low 60% range.

... or they know the demand is high and anyone that leases and accepts their low residual leaves more gravy for them.

Also, as others have said, the low residual could just be a risk hedge - set when they didn't know the demand curve yet.

There are other possibilities besides they planned on devaluing the car with their own actions.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by termigni

without any source it's clear to see BMW didn't spend too much on R&D to produce this car (same goes to 1M) since it is a parts bin car. All costs on R&D(which is the majority of the cost on making a new car) were already spent on making other cars(2 series, M3/4).

BMW did mention the wider width of the M2 requires the factory to adjust the assembly line of the regular 2 series but the cost of this adjustment is only a fraction of developing brand new parts of its own(engine, chassis, suspension)

This is the reason I mentioned Lexus LFA. everything about LFA is all its own. they lost tons of money per car that was delivered to the customers because no parts are shared with any other Lexus range. they even created a new way to make carbon fiber instead of a traditional way just for this car.

M2 on the other hand, the widebody (cosmetics) is the only thing that's significant to this car. all were bought together from the bin with a great calibration by the engineers and test drivers.

OK, so you don't have any solid info either Still looking forward to my "parts bin" car

[blackholescion]

Originally Posted by The H is Silent

I'm going to be extremely speculative here, but it's not a shock if the LCI is a substantive upgrade on a few fronts. I think it is a safe assumption to say that BMW knows what is in their pipeline and didn't just wake up one day and say let's throw a B58 or S55 in the M2.

This internal knowledge is perhaps reflected in the residuals for M2 leases. I don't think I've seen a BMW in recent years with residuals as low as 50% after three years. If I were in BMW's shoes and knew that something that was markedly improved or much more appealing was coming, I wouldn't want a whole bunch of cars coming back at the end of the lease period, which might be the likely scenario if the residuals were in the high 50% or low 60% range.

To me, the surprise is that this is coming in year 2 rather than year 3.

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

... or they know the demand is high and anyone that leases and accepts their low residual leaves more gravy for them.

Also, as others have said, the low residual could just be a risk hedge - set when they didn't know the demand curve yet.

There are other possibilities besides they planned on devaluing the car with their own actions.

The 1M had 50% residuals.

[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by swilliams

S55 M2 @ $61k base
or
N55 M2 @ $51k base

I'll save 10K and take the one that doesn't sound like a lawnmower.

Show before go. Nice motto.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

I love watching all the non M2 owners clamoring for the car in any way possible. ANYTHING BUT THE N55!! Even though its vastly different than any one before it..... Jealousy is the sincerest form of flattery and you all reek of it...... REEK!!

The S55 variant will be an expensive car. A B58 variant is probably more likely to happen.

Any way you slice it, the chassis is the best BMW makes right now, and the Parts bin analogy doesn't hold water in my view. Btwn the changes to the gearbox, the engine, and suspension unique to this car, it was a fully developed M product, so much so that it is faster than M4's around tracks. One could argue they needed to ENGINEER the car not to be too much faster than the big brother around a track. Skinnier tires was one sure fire way to do that for instance.

If you dont get all this, then you dont get the M2 for what it is. And if you want an S55 in the car, you now have lost all that is truly great about this car.

Price, sound, balance.

Keep waiting for the 65k S55 variant that sounds like, "someone farted in a Kazoo under water." Thats the best quote i've heard about it. I truly hate the S55 engine and I think it is a horrible power plant choice for this car. Work buddy has an M3 and I rip on him every time we drive to lunch in it.

There is nothing wrong with a car even if it is just a parts bin car (1M is case in point). A lot of non M2 owners are just looking for a car that could be an improvement on an already great car. A lot of these non M2 owners are being open minded and are just speculating that the S55 could be used based on some photographs that point to that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It does not make them jealous just like how it would not make a current M2 owner jealous if he prefers (or appears to prefer) his current M2 over a possibly limited edition future M2 that could be faster, more communicative and maybe a better overall package than his/her current M2.

Just saying..

[QLAbot]

Originally Posted by Jmbmw490

Really? I thought the M4 GTS was camo'd A lot more than this if I remember correctly. I think they would at least keep the GTS trend going and have some sort of front lip and rear wing and probably different wheels. Although this could just be them testing the engine out then adding cosmetic modifications later. Who knows. Idk how they go about this it's all just pure speculation which sucks because we're just basically going to be speculating for a year. Mannnnn they should just tell the owners of the M2's now what the plan is so we can decide what's best for us. That would be TRUE customer service- A man can only wish though lol

Yeah, I'm just saying that the cosmetic differences weren't very dramatic. You could be right about the lip though. It's not like we have very good shot of the front.