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      09-14-2016, 01:24 PM   #45
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Anymore feedback like this from past owners?

Yes yes, my next car changes every time I post, but the Z4M Coupe is also on my radar.

I don't think you'd ever lose money on that car as I think the market is not really going to go much lower than it is (not talking about EAG cars)
My dad regrets selling his every single day - happened in the height of the recession, and we both wish we would have combined efforts to keep it in family hands.

Has one of the best engines of any car I have ever driven, and a shorter and more lively/playful wheelbase than the E46 M3. Not super practical, but you can get two carry-ons in the back for road trips. Or golf clubs.

If you have a chance to get one - you won't be sorry.
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My dad regrets selling his every single day - happened in the height of the recession, and we both wish we would have combined efforts to keep it in family hands.

Has one of the best engines of any car I have ever driven, and a shorter and more lively/playful wheelbase than the E46 M3. Not super practical, but you can get two carry-ons in the back for road trips. Or golf clubs.

If you have a chance to get one - you won't be sorry.
I wish they were easier to find so I could test drive one. But I guess that's the beauty of it too, you don't see many of them on the road!
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I wish they were easier to find so I could test drive one. But I guess that's the beauty of it too, you don't see many of them on the road!
There's a group in Cincinnati, I think it's Enthusiast Auto Group or something close to that - they specialize in well-kept BMWs and always have a few.

Good place to look @ a well kept E46 M3 or E92 as well. But they're pricey.

Last time I looked, as I would love to buy my dad one someday, the nicer Z4MCs were running in the ~35K range.
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Anymore feedback like this from past owners?

Yes yes, my next car changes every time I post, but the Z4M Coupe is also on my radar.

I don't think you'd ever lose money on that car as I think the market is not really going to go much lower than it is (not talking about EAG cars)
I used to own a Z4MC and sold it to fund my M2.

I absolutely loved, loved, loved the Z4MC and it is truly a great car to drive due to the engine and the hydraulic steering. However, the car was a handful at the limit and could turn on you in the blink of an eye.

I have no regrets selling it for the M2 (partially because I plan on buying it back in a few years...long story) because it is more practical and provides more creature comforts and a less-stiff ride compared to the Z4MC.

To put the performance in a simple perspective I can say this: there is a merge I take often, and in the Z4MC I could do it at about 90 km/h before things got scary. In the M2, I've taken that same turn at 120 km/h and could've had a cup of coffee while doing it - it is really that good.

So in summary, I will leave you with this: the Z4MC is a rare car from a past era that drives as analog as a two door small coupe should, but it is a handful. The M2 is better in every way (except maybe looks) and I would not hesitate to make the same decision again.

Disclaimer: I "sold" my Z4MC to my father who will keep it for a few years and has agreed to "sell" it back to me in 5-10 years. This helps, as I know I will be getting it back and can drive it on occasion when I visit him.
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There's a group in Cincinnati, I think it's Enthusiast Auto Group or something close to that - they specialize in well-kept BMWs and always have a few.

Good place to look @ a well kept E46 M3 or E92 as well. But they're pricey.

Last time I looked, as I would love to buy my dad one someday, the nicer Z4MCs were running in the ~35K range.
You can get a good one for high 20s. Won't be a garage queen with no miles, but all my cars are like that. As long as they are well maintained, the miles don't worry.

And at that price, it seems quite good, considering the new F80 would have been $70k for me, and local GT4 is almost $100k.

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I used to own a Z4MC and sold it to fund my M2.

I absolutely loved, loved, loved the Z4MC and it is truly a great car to drive due to the engine and the hydraulic steering. However, the car was a handful at the limit and could turn on you in the blink of an eye.

I have no regrets selling it for the M2 (partially because I plan on buying it back in a few years...long story) because it is more practical and provides more creature comforts and a less-stiff ride compared to the Z4MC.

To put the performance in a simple perspective I can say this: there is a merge I take often, and in the Z4MC I could do it at about 90 km/h before things got scary. In the M2, I've taken that same turn at 120 km/h and could've had a cup of coffee while doing it - it is really that good.

So in summary, I will leave you with this: the Z4MC is a rare car from a past era that drives as analog as a two door small coupe should, but it is a handful. The M2 is better in every way (except maybe looks) and I would not hesitate to make the same decision again.

Disclaimer: I "sold" my Z4MC to my father who will keep it for a few years and has agreed to "sell" it back to me in 5-10 years. This helps, as I know I will be getting it back and can drive it on occasion when I visit him.
Great review, thanks! Yea, that's what I'm reading. They drive completely different from the M3's and are far more on edge at the limit. But in a way, that's cool because it provides a completely driving experience than my E36 and E92, which is what I'm looking for in the first place.
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There's a group in Cincinnati, I think it's Enthusiast Auto Group or something close to that - they specialize in well-kept BMWs and always have a few.

Good place to look @ a well kept E46 M3 or E92 as well. But they're pricey.

Last time I looked, as I would love to buy my dad one someday, the nicer Z4MCs were running in the ~35K range.
You can get a good one for high 20s. Won't be a garage queen with no miles, but all my cars are like that. As long as they are well maintained, the miles don't worry.

And at that price, it seems quite good, considering the new F80 would have been $70k for me, and local GT4 is almost $100k.

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I used to own a Z4MC and sold it to fund my M2.

I absolutely loved, loved, loved the Z4MC and it is truly a great car to drive due to the engine and the hydraulic steering. However, the car was a handful at the limit and could turn on you in the blink of an eye.

I have no regrets selling it for the M2 (partially because I plan on buying it back in a few years...long story) because it is more practical and provides more creature comforts and a less-stiff ride compared to the Z4MC.

To put the performance in a simple perspective I can say this: there is a merge I take often, and in the Z4MC I could do it at about 90 km/h before things got scary. In the M2, I've taken that same turn at 120 km/h and could've had a cup of coffee while doing it - it is really that good.

So in summary, I will leave you with this: the Z4MC is a rare car from a past era that drives as analog as a two door small coupe should, but it is a handful. The M2 is better in every way (except maybe looks) and I would not hesitate to make the same decision again.

Disclaimer: I "sold" my Z4MC to my father who will keep it for a few years and has agreed to "sell" it back to me in 5-10 years. This helps, as I know I will be getting it back and can drive it on occasion when I visit him.
Great review, thanks! Yea, that's what I'm reading. They drive completely different from the M3's and are far more on edge at the limit. But in a way, that's cool because it provides a completely driving experience than my E36 and E92, which is what I'm looking for in the first place.
A local autocrosser here and I both enjoy how raw my 1M and his MZ4 (roadster and now he switched to coupe ) are. He also owns an E36 M3 which is his track car by the way ....

Turn the traction control off and you need 100 percent attention to driving ! . Fun !
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Well friends, my search for the next car has come to an end and will be picking this up on Saturday.

I know it's completely different than the M2 I lusted after (along with all the other cars that were on the "list"), but I'm going to thoroughly enjoy this Z4MR. I'll still check in this subforum from time to time though!





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Well friends, my search for the next car has come to an end and will be picking this up on Saturday.

I know it's completely different than the M2 I lusted after (along with all the other cars that were on the "list"), but I'm going to thoroughly enjoy this Z4MR. I'll still check in this subforum from time to time though!
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Congrats on the new car. The s54 is truly an amazing motor paired on the e85/86 platform. I still miss mine dearly but have gone with ried route and went with an F87. Although having both would be quite the setup. Z for the weekends and M2 for the daily. Just me 2 cents. Man do I miss her...
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Congrats on the new car. The s54 is truly an amazing motor paired on the e85/86 platform. I still miss mine dearly but have gone with ried route and went with an F87. Although having both would be quite the setup. Z for the weekends and M2 for the daily. Just me 2 cents. Man do I miss her...
Wow, that's got to be one of the most beautiful Z4M's I've ever seen. Surprised I haven't seen it before. I didn't know the Forgestars can fit this platform, love the concavity.

That's actually one of the main reasons I went with a Roadster over a Coupe. I already DD an E36 M3 coupe, and also have an E92 M3 coupe, so the Z4MR will make an awesome fair weather car.

I really still want to test drive an M2 though
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Wow, that's got to be one of the most beautiful Z4M's I've ever seen. Surprised I haven't seen it before. I didn't know the Forgestars can fit this platform, love the concavity.

That's actually one of the main reasons I went with a Roadster over a Coupe. I already DD an E36 M3 coupe, and also have an E92 M3 coupe, so the Z4MR will make an awesome fair weather car.

I really still want to test drive an M2 though
Thanks for the kind words! The E86 will always be a car I will forever miss. Who knows I may buy another at some point. But excited to have my F87 here at the end of the month. The size is comparable not like the ne F80's that feel like a tank.
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Thanks for the kind words! The E86 will always be a car I will forever miss. Who knows I may buy another at some point. But excited to have my F87 here at the end of the month. The size is comparable not like the ne F80's that feel like a tank.
Gotta agree with W///! To be honest I am not a huge fan of the Z4 looks-wise - nice (and many love it), but it doesn't move my needle much. But your Z4MC looks (looked) awesome and removed all my reservations! Must have been painful to let go of those keys that last time!!
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Although having both would be quite the setup. Z for the weekends and M2 for the daily. Just me 2 cents. Man do I miss her...
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Still trying to track down a friendly M2 owner in the San Francisco Bay Area, then I should be able to add more color to this comparo.

My wife has owned a 228i MSport MT for the past ~35K miles and its a great little car. A few nit picks and I wonder how much of a transformation the M2 is!
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I no longer have my Z4M, but I am worried that if I get an M2 I will be disappointed with the amount of feedback the M2 delivers in comparison. It's undeniably faster and better handling, but maybe I am better served going to another 2 seater for that feeling? Hmm...
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I no longer have my Z4M, but I am worried that if I get an M2 I will be disappointed with the amount of feedback the M2 delivers in comparison. It's undeniably faster and better handling, but maybe I am better served going to another 2 seater for that feeling? Hmm...
My wife owns a 228i so I can't exactly comment on the engine and suspension upgrades made towards the M2. But in sheer chassis development, steering feel and seating alone - no way in hell it can compete with a true dedicated sports coupe (a la Z4M, Cayman, etc)
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My wife owns a 228i so I can't exactly comment on the engine and suspension upgrades made towards the M2. But in sheer chassis development, steering feel and seating alone - no way in hell it can compete with a true dedicated sports coupe (a la Z4M, Cayman, etc)
Yeah, that is what I feared.

Just noticed you have or had an FR-S. How did that compare? Could you turbocharge a BRZ/86, upgrade suspension and tires and get something that is comparable to the M2 in performance but more of a sports car in driving dynamics?
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Just noticed you have or had an FR-S. How did that compare? Could you turbocharge a BRZ/86, upgrade suspension and tires and get something that is comparable to the M2 in performance but more of a sports car in driving dynamics?
You could spend a small fortune perfecting the FRS/BRZ platform and FA20 engine, but its performance and overall refinement will never even touch that of the M2. As a track car I would lean towards the FRS/BRZ, as a regular streetable all-around fun car, M2/228i in spades. Don't upgrade yourself out-of-class.

That being said a used 987 or 981 Cayman would spank the M2 in driving dynamics and sportscar "feel" as we call it. You cannot compare a purpose built chassis (Pcar) to a 2-series platform sent over for performance surgery after the fact (a la M division).

A test drive tells all though!

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My wife owns a 228i so I can't exactly comment on the engine and suspension upgrades made towards the M2. But in sheer chassis development, steering feel and seating alone - no way in hell it can compete with a true dedicated sports coupe (a la Z4M, Cayman, etc)
For steering feel you are correct, but the chassis of the M2 is really a lot better than that of the Z4m. A new cayman is obviously the best of both.

With the M2 vs. the Z4, technology has moved a long way. The M2 chassis is stiffer and better balanced, and most importantly there are significantly less rubber bushings. While the steering feel of the Z4M will be better, the chassis connection of the M2 is superior because there is simply less rubber in between your ass and the road.

A direct bolted subframe (no subframe bushings in the M2!) and the M differential are just awesome in the directness it provides. There is zero slop in the rear end on track, which is something that can't be said about previous generation cars.

And I have gained back 95% of the steering feel compared to previous generation hydraulic racks by replacing the front tension strut bushings with a monoball bearing. It is my belief that this particular bushing is responsible for the majority of steering feel complaints on F30 cars.
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For steering feel you are correct, but the chassis of the M2 is really a lot better than that of the Z4m. A new cayman is obviously the best of both.

With the M2 vs. the Z4, technology has moved a long way. The M2 chassis is stiffer and better balanced, and most importantly there are significantly less rubber bushings. While the steering feel of the Z4M will be better, the chassis connection of the M2 is superior because there is simply less rubber in between your ass and the road.

A direct bolted subframe (no subframe bushings in the M2!) and the M differential are just awesome in the directness it provides. There is zero slop in the rear end on track, which is something that can't be said about previous generation cars.

And I have gained back 95% of the steering feel compared to previous generation hydraulic racks by replacing the front tension strut bushings with a monoball bearing. It is my belief that this particular bushing is responsible for the majority of steering feel complaints on F30 cars.
While what you say is true, I have driven several newer BMWs and the increased NVH isolation plus seating position really changes the "feel" of the car. I guess I'll have to drive one to know for sure.
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I no longer have my Z4M, but I am worried that if I get an M2 I will be disappointed with the amount of feedback the M2 delivers in comparison. It's undeniably faster and better handling, but maybe I am better served going to another 2 seater for that feeling? Hmm...
It really depends what you're looking for. IMHO, the M2 is the better weapon. It's faster, has more grip, handles better and while at the same time being practical.

The Z4M on the other hand is a one trick pony. The ride is stiff, view is different, engine revs high ect ect.... you really have to work to get anything out of it, which is why I love this car.

I think the M2 would be thrilling in a more effortless kind of a way if that makes sense.

I've learned that my M3's (E36 and E92) are completely different animals vs the Z4MR.
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It really depends what you're looking for. IMHO, the M2 is the better weapon. It's faster, has more grip, handles better and while at the same time being practical.

The Z4M on the other hand is a one trick pony. The ride is stiff, view is different, engine revs high ect ect.... you really have to work to get anything out of it, which is why I love this car.

I think the M2 would be thrilling in a more effortless kind of a way if that makes sense.

I've learned that my M3's (E36 and E92) are completely different animals vs the Z4MR.
M2 is indeed more practical, faster and has more grip then the Z4M... You need to rev that NA S54 engine of the Z4M, but that is also part of the Z4M appeal. Honestly; the M2 feels stiffer (suspension) then my Z4M. The Z4M handles trickier on the limit that is certainly true...but it is not the widowmaker as some people are saying. I have my Z4M for 6 years now (with 250 Nurburgring laps) and I never felt that the car was to tricky to handle or was above my driving abilities... The M2 is almost to easy to drive fast. In the beginning you need to handle the Z4M with a little respect and you need some time to get used to it. But I found this also the case with the M2....that I need to get used to the instant turbo power.
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M2 is indeed more practical, faster and has more grip then the Z4M... You need to rev that NA S54 engine of the Z4M, but that is also part of the Z4M appeal. Honestly; the M2 feels stiffer (suspension) then my Z4M. The Z4M handles trickier on the limit that is certainly true...but it is not the widowmaker as some people are saying. I have my Z4M for 6 years now (with 250 Nurburgring laps) and I never felt that the car was to tricky to handle or was above my driving abilities... The M2 is almost to easy to drive fast. In the beginning you need to handle the Z4M with a little respect and you need some time to get used to it. But I found this also the case with the M2....that I need to get used to the instant turbo power.
The M2 really rides stiffer than the Z4MR stock vs stock? If so, that would be quite something, as I find the ride in the Z crazy considering it's a stock car that came out of the factory like this.

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