[Benzima]

Originally Posted by gthal

I agree... the exchange rate argument is simply one way of comparing. The sad truth is Canadians pay more (relative to their incomes) than the US on most all cars.

The M4 also went up and also didn't really add anything but, regardless, the bottom line is there are disappointed people and it is understandable. The good news, however, is the car will be amazing when it arrives whether someone paid $61,000 or $63,000 and it will be well worth the investment

Here's another angle... If you sold your car in 2 years, it is a model year newer than mine even though many 17's will only be a month or two newer. Resale will be better

But US gets a better service plan too... Still worth a couple of hundreds there also. To me, the price bump is not justified as there is no value added for a MY17 vs a MY16... It's marketing 101: you add features, you can charge more. Poor job of BMW Canada in this case!

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by Benzima

But US gets a better service plan too... Still worth a couple of hundreds there also. To me, the price bump is not justified as there is no value added for a MY17 vs a MY16... It's marketing 101: you add features, you can charge more. Poor job of BMW Canada in this case!

Correction: the US used to get a better plan.

Now they have essentially the same as us, but only 3 years instead of 4.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Correction: the US used to get a better plan.

Now they have essentially the same as us, but only 3 years instead of 4.

That's right... their price stayed the same and they lost something fairly valuable.

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by Benzima

Just got a screen shot of my order:
Option ZTV (smart phone) still shows:
- wifi hotspot
- wireless
- car play

More confusion!?!

just touched base with SA again to check his sources and he personally spoke with someone at BMW Canada today about this...no ZTV option. But i believe you have a later build Benzima...maybe you are in the clear? WHo knows if its all of MY17 that will go without or just the first few months etc..

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Benzima

But US gets a better service plan too... Still worth a couple of hundreds there also. To me, the price bump is not justified as there is no value added for a MY17 vs a MY16... It's marketing 101: you add features, you can charge more. Poor job of BMW Canada in this case!

I hear you for sure.

However, the M3/4 price went up this year too and no real changes. It is pretty normal for price creap on cars. The M2 increase is larger than normal... likely because of supply/demand and a lower initial price. There doesn't have to be "value add" there simply has to be demand exceeding supply for prices to increase. Look at oil. Look at many other market goods... when supply does not meet demand, prices increase.

I think marketing 101 still applies... demand WAY in excess of supply means you can raise the price and still sell every unit you can build. We might hate it as a consumer but any intelligent company would do the same.

Again, my view is the failure is on managing expectations, transparency of info and communication. Had they gotten that right, it would be different.

For example, if BMW said this early on...

"Initial M2's will be released at a lower introductory price. However, production will be very limited and therefore availability will be challenged. For the 2017's to be released in July, there will be a modest price increase to reflect market demand and available capacity to build cars. If you ordered early but were unable to get a 2016 car, you will fall into the 2017 pricing model and features (to be determined)."

If this was what BMW was officially saying (through their dealers) then I don't think people would have been as bothered... they would have understood the process, the limited availability and the expected increase. The problem is there is bad info, conflicting info, no info and just poor communication.

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by gthal

That's right... their price stayed the same and they lost something fairly valuable.

USA is only 3 years but it still includes brake jobs etc IIRC...we just get 'lubed'...

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Dabozo

USA is only 3 years but it still includes brake jobs etc IIRC...we just get 'lubed'...

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by Dabozo

USA is only 3 years but it still includes brake jobs etc IIRC...we just get 'lubed'...

Actually, you are in the wrong. They lost the big items: brakes, clutch and wiper blades.

EDIT: don't mind the text over at the bottom, it was a quick screen cap.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Actually, you are in the wrong. They lost the big items: brakes, clutch and wiper blades.

EDIT: don't mind the text over at the bottom, it was a quick screen cap.

Essentially the same as ours but shorter.

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by gthal

Essentially the same as ours but shorter.

Yep, same as ours but one less year. Suck it America!

[Benzima]

Originally Posted by Dabozo

just touched base with SA again to check his sources and he personally spoke with someone at BMW Canada today about this...no ZTV option. But i believe you have a later build Benzima...maybe you are in the clear? WHo knows if its all of MY17 that will go without or just the first few months etc..

When is your build?

[Benzima]

Originally Posted by gthal

P.S. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be argumentative here and hope I'm not coming across that way.

I absolutely get the disappointment. I just believe there needs to be a separation of the "disappointment" with the business and commercial reality. The disappointment is valid and real... I would feel it too. However, I would also evaluate the car purchase decision based on the value of the car, on the whole, compared to my other options. In that case, the M2 is a great value IMO. Also, I would understand the business rational of the increase.

It doesn't make the increase feel better but I think there is a need to separate the emotion of the disappointment (which includes the communication mishaps) with the business end of it. The overall value of the car, understanding the supply/demand constraints, etc.

Is it weird that I quoted myself

Don't worry! I totally understand the business decision. I am more disappointed in the communications from BMW Canada.

I know the M2 is a great value and I will keep my order (note: the M2 performs similarly to the M4, which is still 16k$ more!!!)

I will learn from this experience. I am not worried because I know the M2 will meet the expectations as the 1M did. I hope BMW will also learn from this too!

PS: my order still shows ZTV

[quikM2]

I wonder why all the speculation and yes and then no and then yes. So odd they can't confirm the software. I know when I was in a couple weeks ago and we were going through my build sheet the dct and the sunroof and the apple car play were all listed. I'm not sure what the 6NS item above you guys are reffering to or the ztv. Sorry i'm a little out of the loop on the acronyms.

[Benzima]

Originally Posted by quikM2

I wonder why all the speculation and yes and then no and then yes. So odd they can't confirm the software. I know when I was in a couple weeks ago and we were going through my build sheet the dct and the sunroof and the apple car play were all listed. I'm not sure what the 6NS item above you guys are reffering to or the ztv. Sorry i'm a little out of the loop on the acronyms.

ZTV is the smart phone code for MY17.
6NS was for MY16.

[quikM2]

Originally Posted by Benzima

ZTV is the smart phone code for MY17.
6NS was for MY16.

ok great, thanks for letting me know. My order screen at BMW still shows the ztv then with the language 'apple car play'. As far as they know its being offered on MY17's. There really seems to be a lack of communication from BMW Canada out to its dealers.

[vugz10]

Originally Posted by quikM2

ok great, thanks for letting me know. My order screen at BMW still shows the ztv then with the language 'apple car play'.

As does mine with my dealer but not with BMW Canada. Maybe they just need to refresh their system once MY17s start production

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by Benzima

I know the M2 is a great value and I will keep my order (note: the M2 performs similarly to the M4, which is still 16k$ more!!!)

I am looking at the purchase decision based on what is available (MY2017 pricing) and am still going forward. Doesn't mean I can't whine about it (what we missed out on) in the meantime

... and to answer your question, gthal... Yes, it is weird you are quoting yourself!

[///M²]

Originally Posted by Benzima

Just got a screen shot of my order:
Option ZTV (smart phone) still shows:
- wifi hotspot
- wireless
- car play

More confusion!?!

Does it show option 609 ?? idrive 5.0, i bet it does!

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by Benzima

When is your build?

Last week of July

[gmzanatta]

A bit of good news on my end: was taking to my parts guy to get a few MPerf bits ordered and my car actually finished being built 16/06, pretty much a week before it was due.

Now to get it on a boat...

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Actually, you are in the wrong. They lost the big items: brakes, clutch and wiper blades.

EDIT: don't mind the text over at the bottom, it was a quick screen cap.

Thanks for correcting me. Being misinformed is par for the course around here

What you guys think service pkg is actually worth?

For me, as a non daily...prob less than $2k over 4 years.
What's a BMW oil change cost?

[Dabozo]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

A bit of good news on my end: was taking to my parts guy to get a few MPerf bits ordered and my car actually finished being built 16/06, pretty much a week before it was due.

Now to get it on a boat...

Nice! hopefully you catch an earlier boat.