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For the price that the CSL would have been at I would not have wanted one IF I could even get one allocated to me. I have no heartburn over this.
However, BMW is on the verge of losing me after 17 years of unending loyalty. I've bought 6 new BMWs in the last 17 years along with 3 used ones. For me I want a smaller fun to drive car. The 3 was my go to car. 2 E36s and 2 E46s. They almost lost me on the E90 because of the size vs the E46 but I bought one. When it came time for an F series M3 I walked. It was just too big for my tastes. The next 3 series is even bigger yet. Not for me. Then the M2 came out and that extended my relationship with BMW. For my wife we have an E series X1. The F series X1 got bigger and went front drive - no more 50/50 weight distribution - may as well buy a CRV. So unless they pull a rabbit out of the hat and reintroduce a rear drive 1 series I'll be out of new BMWs once my current M2 and X1 live their useful life with me which is probably in about 2 years. Anything can happen but most anything coming out in the next two years has test mules running around now. Here's to hoping I'm wrong. Last edited by Pyrat 2; 12-08-2017 at 08:34 PM.. |
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You’re threatening to leave BMW because they aren’t building something they used to that no one else is building now either. Where are you going to go? You going to jump ship and get exactly the type of vehicle from Benz, Audi, or Jag that you’re railing against from BMW? I don’t get it. |
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BMWs were known (hirsotically speaking) for a few distinct things. RWD is one of them. And since the ever increasing size of all models seems to have no end, he might be saying he’s going to think outside the BMW box, because it no longer is a one horse race when he is considering a new car. But that’s just a guess. Speaking from experience, BMW lost me as a customer recently - I came back for the ZCP F80, which is a very nice car, but I don’t love it. Something is missing...very subjective I know....but I don’t feel compelled to want another one like I did 10 years ago.
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The only exciting thing coming from BMW and that gets scrapped. Is BMW allergic to fun these days?
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I got my hands on my M2 in July, 2017. I’m probably one of the very few who loves 99% of the car (full disclosure: with a tune and downpipe) and wouldn’t change a thing. If you had shown me a 2018 LCI or S55 powered Competition/CS/CSL, all at the same price, I still would have chosen my 2017. When I agree with, “end production of the M2 now,” I say it selfishly because I feel my car is about perfect in its current form. People who fall in love with cars get it. I fell in love with the 1M back in the day and waited patiently for 5 years before BMW made another exciting, small(ish), 2-door sports coupe. I would not have settled for anything less, and I’ve developed a love for this car. There are very few material things you could offer me in a new model that would make me consider switching. The internet is mainly a rumor mill where gradually, opinions and assumptions migrate into “facts.” To the hundreds of posters I see asking, “should I buy now or wait for the biggest, baddest, next best thing, M2 that’s only actually a rumor and subject to change at any time,” PLEASE just buy the M2 now. You won’t be let down. |
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Disappointing news, but it makes some sense. In the very recent past, the GTS came out to much anticipation, but got killed in the press. The more recent CS seems to be quite a hit, with many positive reviews. While some of us would jump at the CSL/GTS if given the chance, I will probably be very happy with an optionable/moddable (words?) S55 that I can drive around town in a car that doesn't stand out too much, and I can throw a kid in back when the need arises. On the other hand, I CAN'T WAIT for S55 track days, roll bar or not...
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BMW is in a 10 year death match for its survival as cars turn from individually owned IC to individually owned electric to electric self-driving fleets. They are competing with every large auto manufacturer in the world and, more importantly, the Chinese government. They have already issued profit warnings as R&D ramps up in a frantic effort to stay relevant They see the writing on the wall. An M2CSL is not a high priority. Especially after screwing the pooch on the M4GTS.
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It's almost like you described my story. I had 7 new 3-series/M3's from '95 to 2011 (owned the last one until 2013) so 18 years of pretty loyal ownership. I totally second your feelings about BMW and have voiced the same frustration. The E90 were the last models I bought, but in reality they were already too big. Ended up going back to an e46 M3, but if the circumstances had been a bit different, probably would have gotten an M2. The M2 is probably a last ditch effort from BMW, and from here on out you can either find a low mile "classic" BMW, or move on. My solution was a DD that is FWD and, like I said, and low mileage e46 M3. Granted it isn't the same as getting a new car, but the cost of two cars as described is about equal to a new 3 series and has its advantages. Quote:
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I wonder if BMW decided to (again) re-name the Competition to CS, and only release it under the CS moniker? Or perhaps Competition and CS (with the scrapping of the CSL) will be released as separate cars afterall |
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C’mon guys, that Tesla roadster is bad azz.... sub $250k with 0-60 times and quarter mile that beats essentially every supercar out there that cost multiples more. Oh and it looks good and can be a daily driver.
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