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      01-09-2018, 08:25 PM   #441
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Looks like these are all M2 Competition models. Any news about M2 CS version? Also any guesses about base prices?
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I'm surprised they are going to an all new engine. Can anyone explain what exactly is better about the newer engine vs the old? I would think the same power boost could have been achieved very easily with the old engine via a simple boost increase.
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I want to say that I read somewhere that the N55 will no longer be compliant with emissions standards, or something to that effect. Combined with the fact that the S55 probably costs less to produce now than when it was introduced, and that the M3/4 will be transitioning to a new motor, so there won't be a risk of cannibalizing sales...all of these things contribute to the decision.

From a performance point of view, you're getting a true ///M motor, with a closed deck, two turbos instead of one, and a hell of a lot higher tuning headroom (if you're into that kind of thing). You also get a motor that makes power to redline, as opposed to the N55 which drops off a cliff after 4500-5000rpm, where the single turbo runs out of steam. As a complete package, the current M2 is really well balanced, but the S55 will make it an animal.
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I want to say that I read somewhere that the N55 will no longer be compliant with emissions standards, or something to that effect. Combined with the fact that the S55 probably costs less to produce now than when it was introduced, and that the M3/4 will be transitioning to a new motor, so there won't be a risk of cannibalizing sales...all of these things contribute to the decision.

From a performance point of view, you're getting a true ///M motor, with a closed deck, two turbos instead of one, and a hell of a lot higher tuning headroom (if you're into that kind of thing). You also get a motor that makes power to redline, as opposed to the N55 which drops off a cliff after 4500-5000rpm, where the single turbo runs out of steam. As a complete package, the current M2 is really well balanced, but the S55 will make it an animal.
Please let me know if the following impressions are correct:

The N55 has better sound and less turbolag. The S55 has a little more top end power and much more aftermarket tuning potential. In stock tune the two are roughly comparable overall (each has different pros and cons but in end there's not much overall difference), however with aftermarket upgrades the S55 can provide much more power and therefore may be considered to be the motor with more potential.

Sound about right?
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Was just informed that these cars will be invite only? If so that is going to suck
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Please let me know if the following impressions are correct:

The N55 has better sound and less turbolag. The S55 has a little more top end power and much more aftermarket tuning potential. In stock tune the two are roughly comparable overall (each has different pros and cons but in end there's not much overall difference), however with aftermarket upgrades the S55 can provide much more power and therefore may be considered to be the motor with more potential.

Sound about right?
Not really.

The N55 sounds better. This is it. Everything else goes to the S55: response/lag, power in stock form, cooling, aftermarket.

I think anyone who says different is in denial. Wait until you see the difference it will make in the M2...
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Not really.

The N55 sounds better. This is it. Everything else goes to the S55: response/lag, power in stock form, cooling, aftermarket.

I think anyone who says different is in denial. Wait until you see the difference it will make in the M2...
Having both; N55 does sound much better. Especially, on what I would call overrun. S55 is a beast of an engine in the performance department and will make the M2 feel like a rocket-ship (honestly more power than needed for a DD). I am curious to hear the sound on the M2 platform. Current M2 is a great machine, IMO, but excited to get some news on the CP.
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Is the s55 less prone to engine heat soak compared to the n55?
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Is the s55 less prone to engine heat soak compared to the n55?
Having owned an M2 and M3 I can tell you that it is, in those packages. A lot of that has to do with the cooling capabilities as well though, not necessarily the engine itself.
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Not really.

The N55 sounds better. This is it. Everything else goes to the S55: response/lag, power in stock form, cooling, aftermarket.

I think anyone who says different is in denial. Wait until you see the difference it will make in the M2...

I have heard some people say the N55 has less turbo lag, and some people say the S55 has les turbo lag. So I would just split the difference and say they are probably pretty close when it comes to any turbo lag?
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I have heard some people say the N55 has less turbo lag, and some people say the S55 has les turbo lag. So I would just split the difference and say they are probably pretty close when it comes to any turbo lag?
You should try the S55 in Sport+, it has some anti lag features through wastegate management (and fuel?) - that should settle the argument.
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Was just informed that these cars will be invite only? If so that is going to suck
Invite only? Can you elaborate? Is this for the Competition or the CS version in 2019?
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Invite only? Can you elaborate? Is this for the Competition or the CS version in 2019?

Like the 911r, dealers are only giving the cars to big clients. Wouldn't even let me put s down payment on one
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Like the 911r, dealers are only giving the cars to big clients. Wouldn't even let me put s down payment on one
Maybe you're just late to the game? There are plenty of people who have contracts/deposits on an M2 Competition and/or M2 CS.
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Like the 911r, dealers are only giving the cars to big clients. Wouldn't even let me put s down payment on one
Maybe you're just late to the game? There are plenty of people who have contracts/deposits on an M2 Competition and/or M2 CS.
Caution : dragoon is in a US coastal location. CHANCE of SHENANIGANS often nearing 100%.

@dragoon if you want this car, you might want to cast a wider net. All you folks in California and Florida that think you're gonna be able to run down to your local dealer ... fughedaboutit .... .. even if you were lucky enough to do so with a regular M2
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Please let me know if the following impressions are correct:

The N55 has better sound and less turbolag. The S55 has a little more top end power and much more aftermarket tuning potential. In stock tune the two are roughly comparable overall (each has different pros and cons but in end there's not much overall difference), however with aftermarket upgrades the S55 can provide much more power and therefore may be considered to be the motor with more potential.

Sound about right?
Not really.

The N55 sounds better. This is it. Everything else goes to the S55: response/lag, power in stock form, cooling, aftermarket.

I think anyone who says different is in denial. Wait until you see the difference it will make in the M2...
Nonsense. Having driven both back to back there is certainly less lag in the N55. Not sure if this is M3 owner insecurity but I fail to see how you could miss this on a test drive.

I'd say the sentiment is pretty accurate. N55 absolutely out of breath in high rpm. S55 pulls almost like NA at the top.
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Had seen those new USA-spec entries too yesterday popping up in a public BMW VIN decoder:
  • WBS2U7C50KVB08889 = M-DCT (HS) (scheduled)
  • WBS2U7C57KVB08890 = 6MT (HS+orange) (scheduled)
  • WBS2U7C59KVB08891 = M-DCT (AW) (scheduled)
All still pre-series, scheduled (not built yet).
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Noticed that 8 additional USA-spec entries have popped up in a public BMW VIN decoder.

All still pre-series, scheduled (not built yet):
  • 4 cars are 6MT and 4 cars are M-DCT;
  • 2 cars are Canadian versions (option 838: "Canadian Version");
  • 3 cars for PR campaign purposes (option 903: "Special Check Trade Fair/photo Vehicle");
  • as all other known USA-spec "M2 Competition" test mules without exception: all S55 3.0 with 302kW output and still none in Mineral Grey body color.
Peculiarity: now two different codes are shown for the all-new Y-spoke forged 19" 788M wheels (maybe a different finish: black and silver ?):
  • option code 2QT: 19"m Law.ý-sp.788 M For. Mt. (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788 M Ge. Mb)
  • option code 29U: 19"m Law.ý-sp.788m For.mt.black (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788m Ge. Mb Schwarz)
List:
  • WBS2U7C50KVB08892 = M-DCT (AW+orange) (scheduled)
    • 2QT 19"m Law.ý-sp.788 M For. Mt. (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788 M Ge. Mb)
    • 838 Canadian Version (Kanada-ausfuehrung)
  • WBS2U7C52KVB08893 = M-DCT (HS) (scheduled)
    • 29U 19"m Law.ý-sp.788m For.mt.black (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788m Ge. Mb Schwarz)
  • WBS2U7C54KVB08894 = 6MT (LBB) (scheduled)
    • 29U 19"m Law.ý-sp.788m For.mt.black (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788m Ge. Mb Schwarz)
  • WBS2U7C56KVB08895 = 6MT (SO+orange) (scheduled)
    • 29U 19"m Law.ý-sp.788m For.mt.black (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788m Ge. Mb Schwarz)
  • WBS2U7C58KVB08896 = 6MT (HS+orange) (scheduled)
    • 29U 19"m Law.ý-sp.788m For.mt.black (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788m Ge. Mb Schwarz)
  • WBS2U7C5XKVB08897 = M-DCT (SO+orange) (scheduled)
    • 29U 19"m Law.ý-sp.788m For.mt.black (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788m Ge. Mb Schwarz)
    • 903 Special Check Trade Fair/photo Vehicle (Sonderkontrolle Stand-/fotowagen)
  • WBS2U7C51KVB08898 = M-DCT (HS) (scheduled)
    • 29U 19"m Law.ý-sp.788m For.mt.black (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788m Ge. Mb Schwarz)
    • 903 Special Check Trade Fair/photo Vehicle (Sonderkontrolle Stand-/fotowagen)
  • WBS2U7C53KVB08899 = 6MT (SO+orange) (scheduled)
    • 29U 19"m Law.ý-sp.788m For.mt.black (19"m Lmr Y-sp.788m Ge. Mb Schwarz)
    • 838 Canadian Version (Kanada-ausfuehrung)
    • 903 Special Check Trade Fair/photo Vehicle (Sonderkontrolle Stand-/fotowagen)
Update: the first two have been built yesterday and today:
  • WBS2U7C50KVB08889 = M-DCT (HS) (Jan 22, 2018)
    option code 901 Special Check Movie Cars (Sonderkontrolle Filmfahrzeuge)
    option code 838 Canadian Version (Kanada-ausfuehrung)
  • WBS2U7C57KVB08890 = 6MT (HS+orange) (Jan 23, 2018)
But there's a novelty: in VIN sheets of ALL test mules (October 2016 through today), the model name was now changed from "M2 Competition" to "M2 Cs".

The "M2 Competition" model name has vanished from all VIN sheets.

So, "M2 Competition", "M2 CS" or "M2 Cs" ?

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But there's a novelty: in VIN sheets of ALL test mules (October 2016 through today), the model name was now changed from "M2 Competition" to "M2 Cs".

The "M2 Competition" model name has vanished from all VIN sheets.

So, "M2 Competition", "M2 CS" or "M2 Cs" ?
Are you kidding me??
WTF.

Now I have to call my dealer and re-re-re-clarify what my deposit is for?
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Are you kidding me??
WTF.

Now I have to call my dealer and re-re-re-clarify what my deposit is for?
Check out the other stickied threads, it was mentioned that it has since been changed back to “competition”.
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Love my M2 had since launch but it does need the s55 overhaul. Now I'm curious how than can change the sound coming from the s55 because it sounds like 🤮
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So, "M2 Competition", "M2 CS" or "M2 Cs" ?
It is definitely not "Cs". BMW doesn't use lowercase letters in the VIN decoder. Lower case letters only appear in the non-German option code descriptions. The site simply converts uppercased strings to titlecased version.

I don't know where those guys are getting the M2 CS name, but I checked 3 different VIN decoders (official, straight from BMW) and all of them show M2 COMPETITION. Either they are caching the old name or they are playing a prank.

Model names in the VIN decoder is not set in stone. If you decode M3 CRT, it will decode as M3 GT, if you decode 135i it will decode as 135IS. Back in November 2016, M2 COMPETITION was decoding as M2 CS, but what they are going to sell it as is anyone's guess.
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Caution : dragoon is in a US coastal location. CHANCE of SHENANIGANS often nearing 100%.

@dragoon if you want this car, you might want to cast a wider net. All you folks in California and Florida that think you're gonna be able to run down to your local dealer ... fughedaboutit .... .. even if you were lucky enough to do so with a regular M2
Just like how you got the 1M, if memory serves me correctly.

And if they've upped the kit considerably, it's worth going the out of state route.
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