[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

You do know that other than the 911R (LOL), you cannot buy a new, non-turbo 911 in Australia? Do you also know that Porsche have devoted 1400 staff (10% of total employees) to developing the mission e concept into an ev road car, and that they are developing a smaller version and a 911 hybrid? This is despite the incredible demand for naturally aspirated 911s.

I am not sure about your comment on "about the incredible demand for naturally aspirated 911s". May be on the GT3s but certainly not on the base 911.

People driving base 911 looks for badge and prestige. Those look for NA responsiveness and sound are of a minority.

Those motorsports enthusiasts are also being looked after by Porsche. That's why they still have the NA engine in the GT3s and reintroduce the 6MT in the 991.2 GT3s.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

I am not sure about your comment on "about the incredible demand for naturally aspirated 911s". May be on the GT3s but certainly not on the base 911.
People driving base 911 looks for badge and prestige. Those look for NA responsiveness and sound are of a minority.
Those motorsports enthusiasts are also being looked after by Porsche. That's why they still have the NA engine in the GT3s and reintroduce the 6MT in the 991.2 GT3s.

Next gen Cayman GT4 also gets the NA flat-six:
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/p...19-gq9c92.html

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Hazey82

Karmic Man, Have you got any info from a BMW Aus perspective? I want to secure a spot for the M2 CS should it arrive but I'm not sure I want to pay $1000 like one dealership is asking especially if its 2 years away and speculation.

Mate I don't have any legit info from them and I am quite certain nobody has any.

What is certain is a higher version of the M2 will be coming out. Given what we have seen with the M4, I am expecting some sort of announcement by end of the year. Perhaps with the possibility of more than one variant.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Next gen Cayman GT4 also gets the NA flat-six:
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/p...19-gq9c92.html

Porsche really knows their customer

[gtr]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Next gen Cayman GT4 also gets the NA flat-six:
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/p...19-gq9c92.html

M2 CSL and GT4RS would be

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Porsche really knows their customer

"The Boxster Spyder and the [Cayman] GT4 have been very successful in the market, and we did not know before, because we had not launched both models, and the result has been really, really excellent. So that showed us that there is a specific market.
"The customer likes this kind of Cayman and Boxster, very sporty, very powerful expression. So most likely we take this feedback and cultivate this also in the future."


Read more: http://m.drive.com.au/motor-news/por...#ixzz4NhdyncAA



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Apparently not. It sounds the same as what BMW execs said about the M2. I could hear the same German accent ..

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Mate Given what we have seen with the M4, I am expecting some sort of announcement by end of the year. Perhaps with the possibility of more than one variant.

I believe the source said the announcement would be made March 2017

[Sebis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

"The Boxster Spyder and the [Cayman] GT4 have been very successful in the market, and we did not know before, because we had not launched both models, and the result has been really, really excellent. So that showed us that there is a specific market.
"The customer likes this kind of Cayman and Boxster, very sporty, very powerful expression. So most likely we take this feedback and cultivate this also in the future."


Read more: http://m.drive.com.au/motor-news/por...#ixzz4NhdyncAA



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Apparently not. It sounds the same as what BMW execs said about the M2. I could hear the same German accent ..

Apparently the germans don't really know their customers, wait until 2030 when they can only sell electric golf carts... what's next, wind driven cars? You know, that electricity still have a large carbon footprint and the batteries kill the environment .

[ilovewagons]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

I am not sure about your comment on "about the incredible demand for naturally aspirated 911s". May be on the GT3s but certainly not on the base 911.

People driving base 911 looks for badge and prestige. Those look for NA responsiveness and sound are of a minority.

Those motorsports enthusiasts are also being looked after by Porsche. That's why they still have the NA engine in the GT3s and reintroduce the 6MT in the 991.2 GT3s.

The NA engines in the GT3 and GT4 are out of production. You think that Porsche will keep a stock of them just for 'enthusiasts', or spend money developing a new NA engine, instead of refining and improving their current all turbo range?

[N54]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

The NA engines in the GT3 and GT4 are out of production. You think that Porsche will keep a stock of them just for 'enthusiasts', or spend money developing a new NA engine, instead of refining and improving their current all turbo range?

Yes

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche...lat-six-engine

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by N54

Yes
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche...lat-six-engine

"There is some overlap, with the 911 R for purists and the GT3 RS for track day fans, and then the GT3 in the middle. Right now it’s just with PDK, but I can certainly imagine gen-2 GT3 getting this manual transmission."

Record companies are selling vinyl records again, though in very limited quantities: although it's logic defying in our robotizing, electrifying digital age, there's apparently a market for it - it sells. Nostalgia or not: vinyl heads don't mind that the sound ain't as perfect as digital and that you got to flip the record to continue listening.

The same reasoning applies IMHO for the manual transmission: never as fast as the M-DCT/PDK/DSG and more work to handle/coordinate for the driver, but still in demand and on offer (more and more as a statement in high performance cars).

Look at how Porsche marketed its choice for the 'manual only' in the Cayman GT4 back in 2015: "We listened to our customers - More emphasis on fun than on a top time at the track". Fair enough, an important reason indeed, but top reason #1 was of course to ensure that the Cayman GT4 could not tailgate the twice as expensive GT3 RS. But anyway, a choice by Porsche that can be applauded (and possibly inspired also by the 2011 BMW 1M success formula): small car taken to another level, limited production, manual only, competitive price-point (total package compared to the rest of the portfolio), rave reviews. It will induce the competition to continue offering manuals too in some high performance cars - even as a statement.

Cannot see BMW shelving the idea of a manual transmission for the future M2, as long as cars don't go full electric.

[DEV M3]

My dealer is asking for a $1,000 non-refundable deposit. Any reason they should require a non-refundable deposit?

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by DEV M3

My dealer is asking for a $1,000 non-refundable deposit. Any reason they should require a non-refundable deposit?

You need to find yourself another dealer or re-negotiate terms.I've put down a £1000 deposit that is refundable if I don't like the spec or price and have it in writing to this effect.

I wouldn't expect anything less.

[ilovewagons]

Originally Posted by N54

Yes

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche...lat-six-engine

keep dreaming.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by ilovewagons

The NA engines in the GT3 and GT4 are out of production. You think that Porsche will keep a stock of them just for 'enthusiasts', or spend money developing a new NA engine, instead of refining and improving their current all turbo range?

The 'turbo' engine is derived from the NA engine

http://rennlist.com/forums/991/89322...-analysis.html

The 9A1 engines are alive and well

http://gtspirit.com/2016/09/29/paris...e-911-gt3-cup/

They will be the heart of the 991.2 GT3 and GT3RS as well

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by DEV M3

My dealer is asking for a $1,000 non-refundable deposit. Any reason they should require a non-refundable deposit?

For a car that they can sell (at MSRP) in 5 minutes after they take delivery if you were to pull out?

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by DEV M3

My dealer is asking for a $1,000 non-refundable deposit. Any reason they should require a non-refundable deposit?

I wouldn't do anything non-refundable. Not enough is known yet. Transmission? I'll only take a 6MT. Specs? Price? My dealer took a $1K refundable deposit up until the car gets a build spot.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by synergist

I wouldn't do anything non-refundable. Not enough is known yet. Transmission? I'll only take a 6MT. Specs? Price? My dealer took a $1K refundable deposit up until the car gets a build spot.

Same here, then I put in another $2k when there is official confirmation.

[MasterP]

Originally Posted by DEV M3

My dealer is asking for a $1,000 non-refundable deposit. Any reason they should require a non-refundable deposit?

In Texas it's nearly impossible for a dealer to hold your deposit on a car.

They just say it so that they know you are committed.

If you've found a dealer willing to take only $1000 on a non-existent car they can't logically hold your deposit even if they say or want to - and they know it.

So JDI.

[MR.]

Discussed the CS and CSL today with the local dealer here, I am on the list as the first one for both and we need to see what is going to happen. In the meantime, I can wait another 12 months before we head something.

I will buy another toy to play with next to the M2. When either arrives, I will pick one up and be one happy

MR

[PackPride85]

The general model update thread had a comment from the guy that releases the info that there is some kind of M2 CS in development but you won't see if before the LCI next year.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

The general model update thread had a comment from the guy that releases the info that there is some kind of M2 CS in development but you won't see if before the LCI next year.

Correct