[pissclams]

But what if stefan does work at your dealer, how weird would that be???

[gtaM2]

Originally Posted by pissclams

But what if stefan does work at your dealer, how weird would that be???

he's in calgary that's a good 3000KM away

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by gtaM2

update: the dealership claims the car is running normal, as i drove off the lot i could tell right away it wasnt

i purchased bimmerlink and a WIFI OBD2 Dongle, my car is throwing 2 codes:

Motorelektronik ME VD17.2 6 Zylinder MSA/Hybrid
2 errors
128901: 0x128901 Lambdasonde vor Katalysator, Dynamik: langsame Reaktion
12BD80: 0x12BD80 Lambdasonde vor Katalysator: Sammelfehler

the first code is the same as P0133

i cleared the codes, check for codes again to confirm they were gone, i then drove around for 15 minutes, checked again and these 2 codes came up again

it appears the dealership did not even scan my car for codes, i even suggested that its probably a sensor because the car is new, from doing some google its the o2 sensor bank 1 sensor 1, can someone please direct me as to where this is? hesitation is one of the symptoms so this should be the issue with the car

i made another appointment for next week with a different dealership since that one is useless hopefully everything gets fixed up asap as i find it annoying that i drop 75k on a car and i have to figure out whats wrong myself, it appears that if the car drives then it is fine to some people

Has the subsequent dealer acknowledged these codes and at least checked the sensors themselves for continuity etc...? It sure sounds like the Ecu is getting a bad reading somewhere and fueling/air mixture is off. The valves in the exhaust not opening should provide some clue to how it is tied together as well. Maybe time to get a third opinion? Throwing parts at a car is sometimes what it takes and maybe they could replace both sensors to test the original code errors? I don't know, but I am bummin' for you either way. Hang tough....

[gtaM2]

Originally Posted by M2Nebula

Has the subsequent dealer acknowledged these codes and at least checked the sensors themselves for continuity etc...? It sure sounds like the Ecu is getting a bad reading somewhere and fueling/air mixture is off. The valves in the exhaust not opening should provide some clue to how it is tied together as well. Maybe time to get a third opinion? Throwing parts at a car is sometimes what it takes and maybe they could replace both sensors to test the original code errors? I don't know, but I am bummin' for you either way. Hang tough....

thanks for the reply and support,i dont believe they checked anything regarding the sensors as the manager was fixated with the idea that i would fill my own car with basically water, the dealership did NOT acknowledge these codes and that is somewhat concerning to me but when they did their scan atleast they acknowledged a reading about poor fuel quality, next week when i provide them with recent gas receipts showing 94 octane gas hopefully they will be smart enough to figure out why my ecu is being tricked into thinking there is zero grade octane in the car

[bobert]

Sorry to hear this issue has reappeared - are any other dealers in the area that you could take it to instead of the one that blamed it on "bad gas"?

I'm sure if i was in your shoes, I'd be just about ready to get medieval on that service mgr...

[M2Nebula]

Not sure about medieval quite yet, maybe just inflict a small flesh wound. Kidding aside, beating up the service manager isn't going to help, he is probably punch drunk already from other customers. Try to work with him and Ralph Nader it at this point and if it drags on too much longer contact BMW NA and get them involved.

[gtaM2]

haha yeah i agree and i also understand the position that the service manager is in

in all fairness his point was that he would need to see receipts to submit this to prove to BMW Canada there is an issue with the car that needs further examination... im assuming this is so they can get reimbursed for further work, i was totally fine with that explanation... i just did not like how he asked me what gas station i used to fill up with 94 octane, living in toronto and if you are a car guy everyone knows that only petro canada has this gas so thats why i know that he genuinely did not trust me and was testing me thinking that i was just lying and he could catch me lying by tellilng him i got that octane from a gas station that did not sell it

[stefan]

Originally Posted by gtaM2

he's in calgary that's a good 3000KM away

So says my profile............ You never know..

No really though I don't work for bmw. I'd be fired based on how often I slam them.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by pissclams

But what if stefan does work at your dealer, how weird would that be???

[impulsiv]

What's so difficult about replacing an o2 sensor? Looks like a common and easy issue to fix...

[stefan]

Originally Posted by impulsiv

What's so difficult about replacing an o2 sensor? Looks like a common and easy issue to fix...

$120cdn

[gtaM2]

update: no trace of anything in the computer of the car however after talking with the shop foreman he was very personable and believed my complaints and later hoisted the car up on the lift and noticed a section of the midpipe that is all blue/purple, he has ordered a new one but it has to be shipped from Germany so it may take a few weeks, it seems that there is some kind of blockage in there...now i am wondering if my cat just blew up but if that happened surely it would throw a code..hmmmm we are both stumped on this.. only time will tell but for the first time i feel like they are now on the right path to finding a solution and i am happy that i have someone smart working on my car..stay tuned

[M2Nebula]

Any update here? Curious to know for future knowledge. Hope it worked out.

[gtaM2]

Originally Posted by M2Nebula

Any update here? Curious to know for future knowledge. Hope it worked out.

still waiting for the part to come in from Germany ..its on back order

[strato58]

Its not possible to get pure gas in my area. All the stations have 10% ethanol.

[StealYourFace]

Meet me at the Queenston/Lewiston bridge, I will be happy to drive the car around Buffalo for you for a week and make sure it gets a steady diet of 91 ethanol free (just $3.20 USD when I filled up this am). After the week is up I'll meet you at the border, or better yet Mosport or the Glen if you would rather go to central NY for a little get away and run a 2 day HPDE.


Honestly, I feel your pain.

Dealers can be accused of not knowing how to communicate with their customers. (What business can't though in all fairness). I'm going through an issue with my better half's 14 GTI. Just out of warranty, and a cel came on. Brought it to the VW dealer and was charged $90 bucks for them to tell me it has a cracked intake manifold. When I got the car back, I changed the oil (due anyways) it was clear they didn't remove a thing to visually inspect my car, simply ran the code that any VW tech that has been working on TSI motors for more than a month would know the intake is bad. Quoted $900. Called VW (They offered to pay for the part, which is $200). Bah.