[csbear]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

From the rumors I've read in the German press, the point of the CS is to make a more track focused version of the base ///M car while retaining daily driver practicality by being less radical and exclusive than a GTS. That sounds like the ideal ///M car for me .

Yup, same here. And that's why I'm excited for the M2 CS.

The M2 itself is a great car and has got universal praise, so I was just thinking to extend my budget and go for a slightly spicier M2 which still retains DD characteristics.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Mules of what could be the M4CS have been spotted well before the M2CS mules .
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&highlight=LCI

It may be potentially revealed at the Geneva show next month.

Oh yes, I remember now, thank you for showing that!

Dang, I been hanging around in the M2 forum too much.

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

If you like them then they may come...

I think they look great.

I am not sure I would like keeping them clean.

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by Corinne

I think it would be quite useful if it worked the other way around too !

He does ask for feedback fairly often, to which we should always respond.

But, probably not the sole ultimate decision maker.

You can't always get what you want.........

But if you try sometimes, well you might find.... you get what you need !

[GimmeanM]

Great thread! And great input concerning M2 -> M2CS -> M2 GTS.

I already struggle with putting miles on my 1M. 4k on the clock so far. If I were to get an uber exclusive M2 GTS I'd have a hard time driving it! I'm just too particular and want everything to be immaculate.

Really like the idea of the M2CS being just as daily drivable as the 1M is.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by c63er

Gtr and gtc fall into the parallel category I mentioned. And should not be marked as better or worse.

Ie. Someone who wants a gtc would not want a gtr even though they can afford it, the same way someone who wants a 911 turbo might not want a gt3 even if they can afford it.

Bmw is nowhere near this level yet but the naming scheme allows for these categories.

I was more thinking of the C63 coupe here, as it is in the same bracket as the M4 (that is why I posted a link to the C63-R spyshots).

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by GimmeanM

Great thread! And great input concerning M2 -> M2CS -> M2 GTS.

I already struggle with putting miles on my 1M. 4k on the clock so far. If I were to get an uber exclusive M2 GTS I'd have a hard time driving it! I'm just too particular and want everything to be immaculate.

Really like the idea of the M2CS being just as daily drivable as the 1M is.

What a waste

Those beauties are meant to be driven

[GimmeanM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

What a waste

Those beauties are meant to be driven

I know!! I have one voice on one shoulder saying drive it! and a voice on the other saying keep it clean!! Haha. At this point I'm trying to figure out which one is the devil.

Where I live it can't be a winter car, so I have a Tacoma for that and an E46 M3 for other daily duty.

I will say, when the cover comes off and I do drive it it always feels like a special occasion. I use it strictly for fun driving. Want every mile to be worth it!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by chmura

There is a confirmed M4 CS coming? I do not see anything regarding a CS version for the M4. Only a additional LCI coming.

M2 CS and M4 CS are coming. Even to the North American market. Just some patience - they're in the works.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by chmura

Can we safely say both manual and DCT transmissions will be offered with the CS model?
I remember someone translated off the German website that a BMW employee looked inside a CS model and saw a manual.
I really really hope this version comes with a manual transmission. My guess it will since it is not a GTS version.

Here's the post you're referring to: an M2 CS test mule recently spotted inside BMW M in Garching featured a manual transmission: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...1#post21213451

[Gatte]

Initially, it was rumored that the S55 in the M2 CS will have 400 HP. There were rumors going around that the M4 CS could be getting the same power levels as the M4 GTS.

If the M4 CS indeed gets the same power as the GTS and the M4 competition pack putting out 450 HP, why would the M2 CS just be limited to 400 HP. Couldn't they bump it up to 425 or maybe even more than was initially speculated ?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

this is something that @scott26 has weighed in on in the past...
IIRC.. he commented that ZCP and LCIs are ways to refresh the model over it's lifecycle.. and that the M division is leaning towards producing multiple models in the M car lineup... base.. CS.. and CSL/GTS
That has already turned out to be TRUE with respect to the M4... and now with the M2 we see that a CS is being readied.. I am putting my cards on the table and pushing all in for it to occur in the M2 lineup as well

Correct that "CS" is supposed to become a new BMW M category (sub brand, special series, etc.: you name it). I believe to have read last year that BMW has taken legal steps to protect "M2 CS", "M4 CS", etc. (remember Porsche forcing Aston Martin to cease and desist the use of "GT3" for the Vantage, so Aston Martin changed the name to "Vantage GT12": http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...e-vantage-gt3/).

Feel free to read again what Scott26 mentioned in the past hinting to this, as compiled in this post: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...5#post19427255

[bim2er]

This is a picture of one of the sixty M4 CS models sold in Spain last year.

Guessing that a version of this front lip design could make it to the M2 CS.

[chmura]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 CS and M4 CS are coming. Even to the North American market. Just some patience - they're in the works.

Thank you, yes that is what I saw.

Very excited that a manual will be offered!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Initially, it was rumored that the S55 in the M2 CS will have 400 HP. There were rumors going around that the M4 CS could be getting the same power levels as the M4 GTS.
If the M4 CS indeed gets the same power as the GTS and the M4 competition pack putting out 450 HP, why would the M2 CS just be limited to 400 HP. Couldn't they bump it up to 425 or maybe even more than was initially speculated ?

See also this:

Originally Posted by Andi-M2

Standard version M3/M4 will get 450hp and the competition models 475hp.

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

From the rumors I've read in the German press, the point of the CS is to make a more track focused version of the base ///M car while retaining daily driver practicality by being less radical and exclusive than a GTS. That sounds like the ideal ///M car for me .

I'm not sure how you really accomplish though. People already bitch incessantly about the suspension in the M2 being too harsh to DD despite the fact it's actually overly soft and too compliant for the track.

The car already has massive boat-anchor brakes that once again need to be upgraded if you are doing more than a few track days a year. Going from 380mm rotors to 390mm is stupid and unnecessary when in reality, a 370mm rotor from AP Racing will outperform both and be lighter.

Fixed back bucket seats will never fly in this car because the target market will bitch that they don't recline, but reclining seats such as in the US spec M4 competition pack barely save any weight.

Can't put in less sound deadening....people already complain it's too loud. They actually had to recall the M performance exhaust because people were bitching about the drone.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the M2 customer is very different from a GT3 RS customer who will put up with these things, as evidenced by posts from the forum. I think if they want to make it a car that is significantly more track capable than the base M2, which is already quite good for a streetable car with 4 seats, that they will need to go full blown GTS where the target customer is markedly different than a standard M2.

I just don't think there is much room in the middle for a CS.

[chmura]

I am not sure about that. I am a GT3 RS type customer but I cannot afford one so I want a BMW M2 CS. I am not looking for the ultimate daily driver that has to satisfy all my needs, like nice stereo, cushion ride, hud, idrive, etc. I do not care for those one bit!

This is where it complicates things, people that was a daily driver want a more liveable car. For me the M2 will not be a daily. BMW take out idrive, take out navigation, remove more sound deadening, make the car raw. This is what I want.

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

I'm not sure how you really accomplish though. People already bitch incessantly about the suspension in the M2 being too harsh to DD despite the fact it's actually overly soft and too compliant for the track.

The car already has massive boat-anchor brakes that once again need to be upgraded if you are doing more than a few track days a year. Going from 380mm rotors to 390mm is stupid and unnecessary when in reality, a 370mm rotor from AP Racing will outperform both and be lighter.

Fixed back bucket seats will never fly in this car because the target market will bitch that they don't recline, but reclining seats such as in the US spec M4 competition pack barely save any weight.

Can't put in less sound deadening....people already complain it's too loud. They actually had to recall the M performance exhaust because people were bitching about the drone.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the M2 customer is very different from a GT3 RS customer who will put up with these things, as evidenced by posts from the forum. I think if they want to make it a car that is significantly more track capable than the base M2, which is already quite good for a streetable car with 4 seats, that they will need to go full blown GTS where the target customer is markedly different than a standard M2.

I just don't think there is much room in the middle for a CS.

[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by chmura

I am not sure about that. I am a GT3 RS type customer but I cannot afford one so I want a BMW M2 CS. I am not looking for the ultimate daily driver that has to satisfy all my needs, like nice stereo, cushion ride, hud, idrive, etc. I do not care for those one bit!

This is where it complicates things, people that was a daily driver want a more liveable car. For me the M2 will not be a daily. BMW take out idrive, take out navigation, remove more sound deadening, make the car raw. This is what I want.

This is what I am saying though - you want a M2 GTS, not a CS. I agree with you 100%.

But if you want to daily the car, you can't really make the M2 much more track capable than the stock car without significantly impacting daily driving comfort.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Artemis

See also this:

But the official reveal of the M4 LCI does not point to any power bump.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1344241

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Artemis

See also this:

But the official reveal of the M4 LCI does not point to any power bump.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1344241

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Initially, it was rumored that the S55 in the M2 CS will have 400 HP. There were rumors going around that the M4 CS could be getting the same power levels as the M4 GTS.

If the M4 CS indeed gets the same power as the GTS and the M4 competition pack putting out 450 HP, why would the M2 CS just be limited to 400 HP. Couldn't they bump it up to 425 or maybe even more than was initially speculated ?

This is my thinking.

425 bhp would be a nice baseline for the CS just to give it the edge over its competitors

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by bim2er

He does ask for feedback fairly often, to which we should always respond.

But, probably not the sole ultimate decision maker.

You can't always get what you want.........

But if you try sometimes, well you might find.... you get what you need !

Indeed, however BMW must have someone who intimately surveys the forums which discuss their cars... and one might well assume that he is the chosen incumbent. In that case, we might wonder why certain very important complaints circulating on this forum (and other forums) such as unreadable instrument panels, soda can crunch, BMW badges dropping off, no sunroof in the USA, no oil temperature gauge, irritating reversing sensor, no switching off of the throttle blip without switching off the safety devices, armrest slider, badly situated door pulls, long clutch travel, too high gearing on 6th gear on 6MT, go unfixed... (sorry Scott - nothing personal !)