[Corinne]

Originally Posted by Reedomn

When Scott talks....ya'll should listen. Love the wheels.

I think it would be quite useful if it worked the other way around too !

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I seriously doubt the prototype seen here is a CSL, I dont see much "Lightweight" in those mules.. According to the rumored product strategy at BMW ///M, the CSL would be top of the line models with modified bodies such as the AMG black-series (like the CSL and 2002 Homage concepts). I've read speculation in the German press (Auto Motor & Sport) that BMW could use "CS" as model designation to replace the Competition Pack and actualy include it in the model designation (M2CS, M4CS) just like AMG does with the -S designation. The progression being: Base ///M -> CS -> GTS -> CSL.

Although of course a MOTOR change is WAY more than any prior competition package ever offered. Up to the last generation, every CP was just cosmetics and slightly lower springs. Only the last car got a HP boost.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Reedomn

When Scott talks....ya'll should listen. Love the wheels.

Sometimes.

[chmura]

Can we safely say both manual and DCT transmissions will be offered with the CS model?

I remember someone translated off the German website that a BMW employee looked inside a CS model and saw a manual.

I really really hope this version comes with a manual transmission. My guess it will since it is not a GTS version.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

That does make sense. But the reason we saw the M4 GTS and the Jahre was because of BMW's centenary celebrations.

Prior to that, there would not be so many versions with the previous M cars. I really think the CS would be the only special model of the M2 for this iteration. Having said that, I do sincerely hope and pray that the CS is really a CSL or close to it.

And I don't mean that in a sarcastic way.


One thing i do try and do before I make a post ... is make sense.

I don't think the CS is really a CSL. It's my sincere hope that they make both. Perhaps because I'm an E30 fan?!

.... that Sport evo just sort of fell out of the factory at the end of the run... would be nice to see a serious track car (GTS or CSL) from an M2 version that gives up the creature comforts.

While I'd rather not have cloth strips for door pulls.. I'll take those if that ensures it would come with a manual transmission !

As you mentioned ... I will be prepared to pull the trigger perhaps on a CS.. if no evidence of Further progress.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And while the world does NOT need another M3/M4 iteration...

Says who ?

I would gladly take an M4CS

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Says who ?

I would gladly take an M4CS

That's already accounted for

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

That's already accounted for

I did. Was not clear to me...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I did. Was not clear to me...

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Oddly.. with a full three years remaining the F80/82 have already gone "all in" and we have already seen the standard car.. ZCP.. LCI...GTS .... 30 JAHRE.. LCI 2.0...... and now the CS is coming soon..... that has to be the end right? BMW AG and NA.. Please don't kill us with special editions like you did with the E9X models!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ryem3

Although of course a MOTOR change is WAY more than any prior competition package ever offered. Up to the last generation, every CP was just cosmetics and slightly lower springs. Only the last car got a HP boost.

Competition Pack vs power boost history:

• E46 M3 None
• E92 M3 None
• F10 M5 +15hp
• F12 M6 +15hp then +40hp
• F8X M3/4 (+19hp)

So there have been more instance where the CP indeed came with a power bump than not. But I agree, a different engine has not been seen.

Regarding the CS potentially replacing the CP, I was just reporting what AMS was speculating in this article, where the CS could become its own model designation. If that actually becomes reality, only the future will tell .

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Competition Pack vs power boost history:

• E46 M3 None
• E92 M3 None
• F10 M5 +15hp
• F12 M6 +15hp then +40hp
• F8X M3/4 (+19hp)

So there have been more instance where the CP indeed came with a power bump than not. But I agree, a different engine has not been seen.

Regarding the CS potentially replacing the CP, I was just reporting what AMS was speculating in this article, where the CS could become its own model designation. If that actually becomes reality, only the future will tell .

this is something that @scott26 has weighed in on in the past...

IIRC.. he commented that ZCP and LCIs are ways to refresh the model over it's lifecycle.. and that the M division is leaning towards producing multiple models in the M car lineup... base.. CS.. and CSL/GTS

That has already turned out to be TRUE with respect to the M4... and now with the M2 we see that a CS is being readied.. I am putting my cards on the table and pushing all in for it to occur in the M2 lineup as well

[M3-Mike]

I have a deposit down on both a regular M2 and an M2 CS. Will be using as daily driver with some track days throw in. Any thoughts on how the CS would behave as a DD? A GTS would be fully track right?

[chmura]

Originally Posted by M3-Mike

I have a deposit down on both a regular M2 and an M2 CS. Will be using as daily driver with some track days throw in. Any thoughts on how the CS would behave as a DD? A GTS would be fully track right?

The BMW M2 is just a 'competition package' with added horsepower. I believe they switched engines because of heat soak issues and the harder ability to safely add HP to the exiting N55. BMW probably wants some headroom left and not fully max out the N55 thus change in engines IMO.

I had an e90 M3 as a competition package and it was fine as a daily.

[M3-Mike]

Originally Posted by chmura

The BMW M2 is just a 'competition package' with added horsepower. They switched engines because of heat soak issues and the ability to easily add HP to the exiting N55. BMW probably wants some headroom left and not fully max out the N55 thus change in engines IMO.

I had an e90 M3 as a competition package and it was fine as a daily.

Cool thanks!!

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by M3-Mike

I have a deposit down on both a regular M2 and an M2 CS. Will be using as daily driver with some track days throw in. Any thoughts on how the CS would behave as a DD? A GTS would be fully track right?

I would say use the M4 CS as your guide.

I'd say fine.
Maybe lower
Likely bigger front splitter
Likely rear spoiler
Imagine Comp Pack type changes too

Should be great as a DD

[chmura]

Originally Posted by JustChris

I would say use the M4 CS as your guide.

I'd say fine.
Maybe lower
Likely bigger front splitter
Likely rear spoiler
Imagine Connor Pack type changes too

Should be great as a DD

There is a confirmed M4 CS coming? I do not see anything regarding a CS version for the M4. Only a additional LCI coming.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by M3-Mike

I have a deposit down on both a regular M2 and an M2 CS. Will be using as daily driver with some track days throw in. Any thoughts on how the CS would behave as a DD? A GTS would be fully track right?

From the rumors I've read in the German press, the point of the CS is to make a more track focused version of the base ///M car while retaining daily driver practicality by being less radical and exclusive than a GTS. That sounds like the ideal ///M car for me .

[c63er]

In regards to the "CS" vs "csl" debate, the answer is quite obvious.

The answer is in the successful model carved out by mercedes and porsche. Mercedes' paradigm fits a bit better since the cars are similar and bmw is too conservative so they will copy the sure bet.

The model is: amg > amg S > amg black series

Bmw m > m cs > m gts

(Gts not csl. No confusion between them. No confusion between amg s and vlack series).

But at the same time it leaves the door open for parallel variants (not necessarily better or worse ). For example amg gtr vs gtc vs potential black series. Bmw is not up to the parallel model stage as mercedes and porsche are, but this new system allows it if necessary. Ie bmw m2 cs-r and m2 cs-i could both be similar priced but have different equipment for different customers (not necessarily better or worse), say one is electric and the other naturally aspirated for example (a dream . Point is the naming system allows for possibilities.

It should also make enthusiasts happy. Regular m3 for all the pain in the ass idiots who buy an m car because of the name or want to color it pink and purple with 30" wheels to have their own special rolling marker of low self esteem

Then a CS for the enthusiasts who enjoy driving and all that goes with that. For about 1/3 of this forum and the people populating threads like this one.

Then a gts for the truly wealthy who want to track or just say they own the pinnacle.

This is not absolute and there is a lot of crossover but it is a good general structure

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by chmura

There is a confirmed M4 CS coming? I do not see anything regarding a CS version for the M4. Only a additional LCI coming.

Mules of what could be the M4CS have been spotted well before the M2CS mules .
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&highlight=LCI

It may be potentially revealed at the Geneva show next month.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by c63er

In regards to the "CS" vs "csl" debate, the answer is quite obvious.

The answer is in the successful model carved out by mercedes and porsche. Mercedes' paradigm fits a bit better since the cars are similar and bmw is too conservative so they will copy the sure bet.

The model is: amg > amg S > amg black series

Bmw m > m cs > m gts

(Gts not csl. No confusion between them. No confusion between amg s and vlack series).

But at the same time it leaves the door open for parallel variants (not necessarily better or worse ). For example amg gtr vs gtc vs potential black series. Bmw is not up to the parallel model stage as mercedes and porsche are, but this new system allows it if necessary. Ie bmw m2 cs-r and m2 cs-i could both be similar priced but have different equipment for different customers (not necessarily better or worse), say one is electric and the other naturally aspirated for example (a dream . Point is the naming system allows for possibilities.

Note that AMG have recently added the -R designation. The way I see it:

AMG -> AMG-S -> AMG-R -> Black series
///M -> ///M-CS -> ///M-GTS -> ///M-CSL

https://www.google.ca/search?q=c63+R...4AQ&gws_rd=ssl

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Note that AMG have recently added the -R designation. The way I see it:

AMG -> AMG-S -> AMG-R -> Black series
///M -> ///M-CS -> ///M-GTS -> ///M-CSL

I agree with this with one exception though. It does not need to be so segmented for the 2 series. The market for the M2 is not nearly as big as the M3 and M4 if I am not mistaken.

I have not seen a single M2 on the road so far. I've seen them at the dealership but not one on the road. Strangely I've seen 2 GTSs so far.

It does not make sense logistically to develop multiple versions of a car which is not intended to sell too many of the standard version. It would make more sense to have a CSL/GTS if the M2CS was to replace the M2. Having an M240, M2, M2CS and M2 GTS/CSL I think is very unlikely.

All the 1 series had was the 1M.

Gotta wait and see though.

[c63er]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Note that AMG have recently added the -R designation. The way I see it:

AMG -> AMG-S -> AMG-R -> Black series
///M -> ///M-CS -> ///M-GTS -> ///M-CSL

https://www.google.ca/search?q=c63+R...4AQ&gws_rd=ssl

Gtr and gtc fall into the parallel category I mentioned. And should not be marked as better or worse.

Ie. Someone who wants a gtc would not want a gtr even though they can afford it, the same way someone who wants a 911 turbo might not want a gt3 even if they can afford it.

Bmw is nowhere near this level yet but the naming scheme allows for these categories.