Let's discuss the BMW "M2 CS" rumor: will there be a hardcore M2 variant 2019/2020 ?

pruettfan · 08-08-2018, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cntzl

No, it wasn't just cosmetic. M4 DTM Champion Edition has the same specs as the M4 GTS including higher engine output with water injection.

Perhaps I was thinking of the car they gave the DTM champ. I remember distinctly thinking it was odd that the car was just cosmetic. Anyway I doubt we will see a DTM M2 of any kind because the M2 has no linkage to DTM.

seis-speed · 08-08-2018, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Yeah, I drove it. It sounds like a bug from inside the car and turbo lag is an issue for me.

I drove a Cayman S. Loved it! Sound was better than an S55? The torque down low and handling is so much better than the previous generation. The 6MT was brilliant. I also tracked a manual GTS. That sounded even better (different intake/headers) amazing machine, if you can live w/o a backseat/trunk. 718 variants in 6MT are pretty sweet, IMO.

M+M · 08-08-2018, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AGM2

Beautiful car M2 regular owners we need to wait ... forget the M2C !!!!!!!

I Wish BMW make the old body back with new Motor !!!

Now we are talking!!! One of each please! Unfortunately I suspect the M2 CSL won't be able to be as radical/good as this styling.

Karmic Man · 08-09-2018, 05:32 AM

So what if they will really release one. It will be a lot more $$$ than the M2C.

People will just complain that for the money they will rather buy a Porsche, 718 GT4, 911...etc

F87_LCI · 08-09-2018, 08:30 AM

"After all, the M2 Competition has more power and a more track-focused suspension compared to the previous M2 model"

wait...what? I thought it has been verified that the suspension is exactly the same with the exception of the CF brace up front? Is this what is meant by a more track-focused suspension on the M2C? Not bashing...just curious why so many of the "journalists" seem to get this wrong?

imyourmaster · 08-09-2018, 08:31 AM

It is always interesting to see how many discussions on Bimmerpost turn into discussions about Porsches. Then again, you can't fault the Germans for being so great at automotive engineering. For a second there I had to think what we as Americans excel at in the eyes of the rest of the world....but then I remembered it's drinking beer, bbq and American football... MUHRICA!!!

kfscoll · 08-09-2018, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by F87_LCI

"After all, the M2 Competition has more power and a more track-focused suspension compared to the previous M2 model"

wait...what? I thought it has been verified that the suspension is exactly the same with the exception of the CF brace up front? Is this what is meant by a more track-focused suspension on the M2C? Not bashing...just curious why so many of the "journalists" seem to get this wrong?

I noticed the exact same thing. I'm guessing they're just parroting what BMW originally told everyone.

norMcal · 08-09-2018, 02:22 PM

Not sure if anyone already posted this?

https://www.motor1.com/news/261716/b...-possible/amp/

hellrotm · 08-09-2018, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by norMcal

Not sure if anyone already posted this?

https://www.motor1.com/news/261716/b...-possible/amp/

Recycled news...source BMWblog

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1523688

chmura · 08-09-2018, 02:37 PM

I have no interest in a CS with just a small weight loss and more HP that will cost $20-30k more. No thanks.

norMcal · 08-09-2018, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hellrotm

Recycled news...source BMWblog

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1523688

Wasn't sure. Sorry. Mods, feel free to delete.

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Originally Posted by chmura

I have no interest in a CS with just a small weight loss and more HP that will cost $20-30k more. No thanks.

I would only dig the fact that it would allow to get the CF roof, fender, hood etc from factory. Those would be great to have, but not if it's done outside of factory. Of course the price would have to stay within reason. $20-30k would be a deal breaker.

Free Spirit · 08-09-2018, 02:57 PM

They going to make only a projected 1,000 units for the US market..

All of them will sell if it has all the carbon pieces installed from the factory, with maybe the MP adjustable coilovers, which we know is going to be the only logical case..

They can't possible do anything else further to improve the F87 chassis beside RnR lighter parts..

chmura · 08-09-2018, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by norMcal

Wasn't sure. Sorry. Mods, feel free to delete.

I would only dig the fact that it would allow to get the CF roof, fender, hood etc from factory. Those would be great to have, but not if it's done outside of factory. Of course the price would have to stay within reason. $20-30k would be a deal breaker.

Bmw won’t just give you an M2c base car with carbon fiber roof. They are doing this for a reason. Waiting for that for the CS model and charge $20k+ for it as a package. Not worth it IMO.

medphysdave · 08-09-2018, 03:02 PM

Im really crossing my fingers for this one. Unfortunately all the fabrication costs for the CF bits will likely get passed on to consumer. +20k over the comp model? Hoping it's more like a 10k premium.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...still-possible

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-parts-concept

hellrotm · 08-09-2018, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by norMcal

I would only dig the fact that it would allow to get the CF roof, fender, hood etc from factory. Those would be great to have, but not if it's done outside of factory. Of course the price would have to stay within reason. $20-30k would be a deal breaker.

Here is my thought on the carbon panels, as I posted in another thread.

The CS badge on the M3/M4 Comp carries a 45% premium. So you are looking at about ~$85,000 msrp for M2CS. No telling how much for new CSL badge. The GTS was pushing 100% premium at the time.

Now take into account the M4 Comp already has a carbon roof, carbon trunk, carbon driveshaft, etc. So essentially the carbon costs were already baked into the cost. Logically thinking one could conclude the M2 CS premium could be even more drastic, if it adds some of the Mperf carbon panels as standard.

norMcal · 08-09-2018, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chmura

Bmw won’t just give you an M2c base car with carbon fiber roof. They are doing this for a reason. Waiting for that for the CS model and charge $20k+ for it as a package. Not worth it IMO.

I understand that they will slap all the CF parts on, give it more power and probably add the M performance wheels, then charge for it all and then some. The question is, how much is the "and then some". If it isn't insanely more than the sum off all parts, then it would be a attractive. Chances are it will be too much, which is fine, because there are plenty of other cars I can look at in that price range.

norMcal · 08-09-2018, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hellrotm

Here is my thought on the carbon panels, as I posted in another thread.

The CS badge on the M3/M4 Comp carries a 45% premium. So you are looking at about ~$85,000 msrp for M2CS. No telling how much for new CSL badge. The GTS was pushing 100% premium at the time.

Now take into account the M4 Comp already has a carbon roof, carbon trunk, carbon driveshaft, etc. So essentially the carbon costs were already baked into the cost. Logically thinking one could conclude the M2 CS premium could be even more drastic, if it adds some of the Mperf carbon panels as standard.

All true, but I would coutner argue that on the M2 CS they only added a few thousand dollars for S55, M5 brakes and M3/M4 seats. The fact that the M2 is in a different segment, might suggest they will keep the mark up lower than on the M3/4

hellrotm · 08-09-2018, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by norMcal

All true, but I would coutner argue that on the M2 CS they only added a few thousand dollars for S55, M5 brakes and M3/M4 seats. The fact that the M2 is in a different segment, might suggest they will keep the mark up lower than on the M3/4

M2CS will definitely be lower than $103k M4CS. Just not anywhere near as low some would like it to be.

medphysdave · 08-09-2018, 04:31 PM

I'm going to keep my fingers crossed. I'm still on top of a list for one of these. Delivery in 2020 would work well with my interim leased entertainment.

Shedding close to 150lbs and lowering the center mass should make a noticeable difference in cornering feel even during day to day driving.

Tag · 08-09-2018, 04:38 PM

Things that make you go hmmmmmm... ( before anyone gets too excited this could just be the CF parts that were released

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Gatte · 08-09-2018, 04:40 PM

Thanksgiving is end of November.

hellrotm · 08-09-2018, 04:43 PM

LOL...mod-bargains. Hardly a place to get reliable info from. Actually I think they are banned from bimmerpost.

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