[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

That’s a good point - one of MR’s posts referenced a 2019 release for the G80 M3, can that be possible? I guess I don’t know when the new 3er comes out.

I would think the chances of that are less than zero. The current M4 is in production through Oct 2020, and I would think it would be highly unlikely that BMW would produce an S58 powered G80 M3 and bring it to the market earlier than EOP of the M4. More likely the typical 7 year cycle is in progress which means a summer 2021 intro for the G80 M3, 2022 model year car.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

My 2015 gets almost 22mpg and is a beast off the line. I am shocked at how efficient my mpg works. Currently I am getting between 280-310 miles per tank, so seems to be getting even better. This is on 437M 19" wheels, MPE, and open valve remote.

In winter on 18" Apex wheels I get ~ 330 miles+ between fill-ups.

It seems like once I hit 15k miles all the sudden my car got very efficient and I feel like I rev the car like crazy.

IDK....?

I’m at ~12K, so maybe mine will improve.

[swifty]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

My 2015 gets almost 22mpg and is a beast off the line. I am shocked at how efficient my mpg works. Currently I am getting between 280-310 miles per tank, so seems to be getting even better. This is on 437M 19" wheels, MPE, and open valve remote.

In winter on 18" Apex wheels I get ~ 330 miles+ between fill-ups.

It seems like once I hit 15k miles all the sudden my car got very efficient and I feel like I rev the car like crazy.

IDK....?

330 miles each tank? Is this all Highway miles?

My car improved as well over the first year but that's significant improvement.

[Artemis]

M3 Adjuster, no matter how many capital letters, bold and loaded words ("horrible", "ridiculous", "totally FUBAR", "screwing up", "fired", "spin cycle", "absolutely incorrect but glorious marketing speak") you may use in your replies, I'm not taking a single word back from my earlier post:

Originally Posted by Artemis

A screenshot leaked in the past showed October 2020 as end of production for the F87 M2. The M2 Competition is no limited edition. As long as there will be demand, BMW will make as many as production capacity allows. That's what's been told in the past and it makes sense, as the current N55 M2 will be discontinued this semester.

Quite forseeable that demand for the M2 Competition will be high in the early stages, causing bottleneck situations. Remember 2015/2016: long queues for the M2. Things got 'calmer' afterwards and delivery times shorter, also because the M2 production had been ramped up in the meantime.

Also car companies cannot predict the future. They got a set of parameters, have expectations and make prognoses. If expectations are met or exceeded, there's success. If these are exceeded in a significant way, there's a big success and more incentives for future similar projects.

Hopefully you don't suspect BMW of deliberately keeping M2 production volumes low as a strategy to allegedly create a demand hype. Otherwise...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

I would think the chances of that are less than zero. The current M4 is in production through Oct 2020, and I would think it would be highly unlikely that BMW would produce an S58 powered G80 M3 and bring it to the market earlier than EOP of the M4. More likely the typical 7 year cycle is in progress which means a summer 2021 intro for the G80 M3, 2022 model year car.

I thought so too - but I haven’t been keeping up on the new 3er side, which more closely resembles a barge than a car IMO.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I thought so too - but I haven't been keeping up on the new 3er side, which more closely resembles a barge than a car IMO.

Sad isn't it. BMW's "signature" model is now a land yacht. :

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Sad isn't it. BMW's "signature" model is now a land yacht. :

This is why the M2 is the only car I will buy at the moment. The 3 series got way to big.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Sad isn't it. BMW's "signature" model is now a land yacht. :

Originally Posted by ChrisK

This is why the M2 is the only car I will buy at the moment. The 3 series got way to big.

Totally agree with you both - the feeling was even more pronounced when I moved into the F80 from the 981...but I will say that I have gotten used to it over time, and I think the engineers did a good job at making the car handle its weight and physical dimensions very well. I was really interested in the M2 at that time, but they were still relatively hard to procure, and I got a great deal on the F80, so I went for it.

I have to travel a fair bit for work, so I am typically in a lot of different cars - and vehicles of a similar size, say an Accord, Camry or mid-sized Chevy, which are much more "in-your-face" on the size front.

With that being said, having spent some time in my dad's M2, I definitely prefer and enjoy a smaller car - so many simple things are easier on the logistical side, like backing into my small-ish 2 car garage. It just doesn't take up nearly as much space. And when you're driving it, the car just feels more manic and playful, which is a good thing for us enthusiasts...not so, I am guessing, for the masses, who prefer the smoooooooothness and comfort of a larger car.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Totally agree with you both - the feeling was even more pronounced when I moved into the F80 from the 981...but I will say that I have gotten used to it over time, and I think the engineers did a good job at making the car handle its weight and physical dimensions very well. I was really interested in the M2 at that time, but they were still relatively hard to procure, and I got a great deal on the F80, so I went for it.

I have to travel a fair bit for work, so I am typically in a lot of different cars - and vehicles of a similar size, say an Accord, Camry or mid-sized Chevy are much more "in-your-face" on the size front.

With that being said, having spent some time in my dad's M2, I definitely prefer and enjoy a smaller car - so many simple things are easier on the logistical side, like backing into my small-is 2 car garage. It just doesn't take up nearly as much space. And when you're driving it, the car just feels more manic and playful, which is a good thing for us enthusiasts...not so, I am guessing, for the masses, who prefer the smoooooooothness and comfort of a larger car.

I'm sure the G series will be slightly larger than the F series

[swifty]

BMW needs a M2 GC.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I'm sure the G series will be slightly larger than the F series

Agreed...my F80 is slightly smaller than the previous gen 5er IIRC, but there's no way the 3er G series won't eclipse those dimensions.

What a thought...

But, it will probably make more/better use of lightweight materials - so actually be a little lighter, like the F80 is compared to the E92.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by swifty

BMW needs a M2 GC.

Agreed - there's quite a few people who have been saying that as well. I have consistently said if BMW made a 1M hatch or an M2 sedan or GC that they could take my money now.

[JLlRacing]

Me han llamado hace 10 minutos del concesionario para decirme que la semana próxima podré configurar mi BMW M2 Competition, sin especificarme el día en concreto.

called me 10 minutes ago from the dealership to tell me that next week I will be able to configure my BMW M2 Competition, without specifying the specific day.

[Quicktraveler]

Does anyone know if Alexa will be offered on this model?? I saw info that all bmw's were to have this mid-year on new models. I did not see anything on this forum about same. Would like reply if possible.

[vincE92M3]

This is the best M in their current line IMO

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by swifty

330 miles each tank? Is this all Highway miles?

My car improved as well over the first year but that's significant improvement.

The fuel consumption on my M235 went way up when I installed M2 sized wheels and tires. However I can get over 300 miles on a tank if I'm on a long trip and use the cruise control...or I can get 150 miles on a tank if I'm driving in the canyons. Your mileage may vary

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by swifty

330 miles each tank? Is this all Highway miles?

My car improved as well over the first year but that's significant improvement.

I would say 70-30 city-highway over the lifespan of car. Possibly 65-35 but on highway car is usually loaded up passengers/luggage.

The 330 per tank was on the lightest winters I could find 9.5" rears in R18. And was probably closer to 40-60 city/highway. Right now I am scheduled to get 279 miles on current tank, but that is 100% city driving with summer 437M R19 PSS tires.

I would be curious what the guys with 513m/R18 package get MPG.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by vincE92M3

This is the best M in their current line IMO

I must agree. The M2C finally checks all of my boxes.

1) LED Headlights
2) LED Tails, and Turns
3) LCI Cluster
4) Front parking sensors
5) Black angled exhaust tips
6) Black grills/trim
7) S55 engine
8) M3/M4 seats
9) New Idrive
10) Good colors
11) Perfect size car

I feel for once I don't need to modify anything or think it's missing something.

Since I have already owned an M2, I'm past the CF Roof or Hood Power Dome. I have had those on past M cars, so not that big of a deal.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I must agree. The M2C finally checks all of my boxes.

1) LED Headlights
2) LED Tails, and Turns
3) LCI Cluster
4) Front parking sensors
5) Black angled exhaust tips
6) Black grills/trim
7) S55 engine
8) M3/M4 seats
9) New Idrive
10) Good colors
11) Perfect size car

I feel for once I don't need to modify anything or think it's missing something.

Since I have already owned an M2, I'm past the CF Roof or Hood Power Dome. I have had those on past M cars, so not that big of a deal.

I suspect the power dome and roof will come on a limited model, but who knows, could be the new base model for MY20, I mean it would be progress.

[fullstack]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I must agree. The M2C finally checks all of my boxes.

1) LED Headlights
2) LED Tails, and Turns
3) LCI Cluster
4) Front parking sensors
5) Black angled exhaust tips
6) Black grills/trim
7) S55 engine
8) M3/M4 seats
9) New Idrive
10) Good colors
11) Perfect size car

I feel for once I don't need to modify anything or think it's missing something.

Since I have already owned an M2, I'm past the CF Roof or Hood Power Dome. I have had those on past M cars, so not that big of a deal.

for me:
12) red start button (I like the small details too)
13) m colors on seat belts
14) parking sensor button
15) carbon strut brace

but I'm not satisfied with the new colors.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I couldn't (reasonably) procure an M2 when I got my F80...but I don't need 4 doors, I just thought the M3 looked so much better than the M4. It looks sooooooooooo long, like a 6er. Just not my thing.

Love the overall size and shape of the 2er - reminds me of my 981 in size, and is very close to the E46. That's a magic formula.

I actually would prefer a sedan shape in the M2... and similarly.. I think it would actually look better than the 2 door.. perhaps not as dramatic as the M4..

the M4 absolutely is M6 sized and has the long shape and appearance that was the hallmark of the M6.
It's a shame that BMW has so confused itself and it's model lineup as they have tried to grow their lineup in size.
They tried to have some sort of sedan/odd and coupe even combo . and then immediately became insconsistent with their own marketing.. by immediately confusing things with gran coupes, and causing themselves to lose market share to other European marques in the entry level luxury sedan segment.

The current 2 series should still be the 3 series and should still be a small compact coupe and sedan.
the current 3 series should have been named the 4 series and should be coupe and sedan
5 series is as it is..
6 series ... didn't have to be rebadged as 8 series.. but since it has moved upmarket then the funky GT here is fine.
7 series as it is
8 series coupe and gran coupe

Originally Posted by dmboone25

It appears that adding more power is much easier than the car going on a diet.

that is true of both CAR and DRIVER...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M3 Adjuster, no matter how many capital letters, bold and loaded words ("horrible", "ridiculous", "totally FUBAR", "screwing up", "fired", "spin cycle", "absolutely incorrect but glorious marketing speak") you may use in your replies, I'm not taking a single word back from my earlier post:


Also car companies cannot predict the future. They got a set of parameters, have expectations and make prognoses. If expectations are met or exceeded, there's success. If these are exceeded in a significant way, there's a big success and more incentives for future similar projects.

Hopefully you don't suspect BMW of deliberately keeping M2 production volumes low as a strategy to allegedly create a demand hype. Otherwise...
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My point is and always has been... that the marketing strategy is to sell M3, M4 and M235/M240 in volume and the M2 in extremely low volume.

Not only do I " suspect that BMW is deliberately keeping M2 production volumes low as a strategy to allegedly create a demand hype "
I am DECLARING SO and providing DATA to support my statements....

The proof is in the sales .... " accidental issues and marketing underestimations " aside.. And if you are shocked and feel there is no way that this is not the goal of BMW.. then I would have to say I feel that's very naïve.


GET THE POINT?