[Gatte]

Originally Posted by m34m

My belief is there will be an M2 with an available comp pack and a separate CS model. In other words just like M4. Makes sense doesn't it from the consistency perspective? As for weight reduction give me a break nylon door pulls won't cut it. BMW isn't into that anymore the E46 CSL is a long distant memory and an anomaly. BMW is great at badge engineering and marketing these days with minor repackaging. My M2 is likely the last BMW I'll buy I'm very put off by the brand. Never thought it would happen but here it is. When M2 outlasts it's usefulness it's Porsche for me not some rebranded M2 with tweaks.

Kind of on the same boat but porsche is a step ahead of BMW in going the 4 cylinder route.

I was really hoping the next GT4 would be NA but the exhaust arrangement on all the test mules that's seen so far point to some sort of turbo which would take away a lot of what made the 981 GT4 so special.

Even the next GT3 is apparently going the turbo route.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by m34m

My belief is there will be an M2 with an available comp pack and a separate CS model. In other words just like M4. Makes sense doesn't it from the consistency perspective? As for weight reduction give me a break nylon door pulls won't cut it. BMW isn't into that anymore the E46 CSL is a long distant memory and an anomaly. BMW is great at badge engineering and marketing these days with minor repackaging. My M2 is likely the last BMW I'll buy I'm very put off by the brand. Never thought it would happen but here it is. When M2 outlasts it's usefulness it's Porsche for me not some rebranded M2 with tweaks.

Except the ZCP M3/4 isn't the base M3/4 - that's why they add 5K to the MSRP.

I am just saying that M2 Competition = base M2 makes 0 sense, to me anyway.

If they happened to call the S55 version of the car a CS and did away with the "base" that would make more sense and actually "somewhat" conform to the current M3/4 nomenclature.

On the subject of weight of the M3/4 CS' weight, I agree with you, but at least they did a few things to try and bring the piggish weights under control.

Be careful of going and getting a Porsche - you will be ruined (in a good way) forever - nothing comes close to my old 981 in the subjective driving pleasure department.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Kind of on the same boat but porsche is a step ahead of BMW in going the 4 cylinder route.

I was really hoping the next GT4 would be NA but the exhaust arrangement on all the test mules that's seen so far point to some sort of turbo which would take away a lot of what made the 981 GT4 so special.

Even the next GT3 is apparently going the turbo route.

The 4 banger in the 718 is not really a banging engine though - I would much rather they put the 5 cylinder from Audi in there if the F6 is gone forever. I am not saying that a 4 cylinder cannot be special, but the one in the 718 doesn't seem to fit that bill.

I haven't seen anything that points to the 718 GT4 being forced induction? I would be really disappointed if that were the case...didn't the Porsche GT boss say something to the effect that the GT cars would be NA for a while longer???

EDIT - also, keeping the 718 GT4 NA helps Porsche keep the Cayman in line, in regard to the pecking order. If they give that mid-engine car a lot of grunt, it's going to be nipping at the GT3's heels, or maybe surpassing it. Hell the 718 Boxster S is only 2 seconds off the Ring time of the GT4, and that's on inferior tires...

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Kind of on the same boat but porsche is a step ahead of BMW in going the 4 cylinder route.
I was really hoping the next GT4 would be NA but the exhaust arrangement on all the test mules that's seen so far point to some sort of turbo which would take away a lot of what made the 981 GT4 so special.
Even the next GT3 is apparently going the turbo route.

Beware of dummy exhaust tips to make the world believe that the forthcoming Cayman GT4 goes turbo too. I remain hopeful that Porsche GT is going NA flat six again with this new iteration:
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...4#post22458404

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Kind of on the same boat but porsche is a step ahead of BMW in going the 4 cylinder route.

I was really hoping the next GT4 would be NA but the exhaust arrangement on all the test mules that's seen so far point to some sort of turbo which would take away a lot of what made the 981 GT4 so special.

Even the next GT3 is apparently going the turbo route.

That's why you gotta get a 991.2 gt3 now with me. Could be the last manual(I hope not) and the last naturally aspirated(I hope not).

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

That's why you gotta get a 991.2 gt3 now with me. Could be the last manual(I hope not) and the last naturally aspirated(I hope not).

I don't think this will be the end - I really don't. There seems to be even more interest and hype around the GT cars these days, and it's at least based on the fact that you can still get NA engines and MT (if you want)...those choices are dying by the wayside, so it would make sense for Porsche to keep it going as long as possible. It's a big selling point, wouldn't you agree?

[bobert]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

That's why you gotta get a 991.2 gt3 now with me. Could be the last manual(I hope not) and the last naturally aspirated(I hope not).

I'd pitch a tent outside the Porsche dealer tonight if I could afford one.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I don't think this will be the end - I really don't. There seems to be even more interest and hype around the GT cars these days, and it's at least based on the fact that you can still get NA engines and MT (if you want)...those choices are dying by the wayside, so it would make sense for Porsche to keep it going as long as possible. It's a big selling point, wouldn't you agree?

totally agree!!! some of my favorite things in the world in no particular order...
Sound of children laughing
Naturally asperated
Rear Wheel drive
BOOBS
Manual transmission
Tax write-off

I think Porsche will see how well and quick these sell out and be forced to keep it going.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by bobert

I'd pitch a tent outside the Porsche dealer tonight if I could afford one.

I'm interested if the dealer mark-up isn't insane! I think it will go down as one of the P cars to own.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

I'm interested if the dealer mark-up isn't insane! I think it will go down as one of the P cars to own.

kinda pitch'n a tent now thinking about the car!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

totally agree!!! some of my favorite things in the world in no particular order...
Sound of children laughing
Naturally asperated
Rear Wheel drive
BOOBS
Manual transmission
Tax write-off

I think Porsche will see how well and quick these sell out and be forced to keep it going.

You and I might be doppelgangers.

That made me choke on my Mich Ultra.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

You and I might be doppelgangers.

That made me choke on my Mich Ultra.

He had the order wrong though. It was supposed to be:
Ass
Boobs
Tax write off
Naturally aspirated
.....

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

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I haven't seen anything that points to the 718 GT4 being forced induction? I would be really disappointed if that were the case...didn't the Porsche GT boss say something to the effect that the GT cars would be NA for a while longer???

The exhaust placement totally points to it being turbo. The Porsche GT boss (AP) had said in the start of 2017/end of 2016 that GT cars will be NA for the next couple of years.

If the GT4 is going to be a MY2019, it would technically be more than 2 years since he made that statement. Really really hope that I am wrong though.

Originally Posted by Artemis

Beware of dummy exhaust tips to make the world believe that the forthcoming Cayman GT4 goes turbo too. I remain hopeful that Porsche GT is going NA flat six again with this new iteration:

I really do not think that those are fake exhaust tips. I have not seen porsche change the exhaust placement between their test mules and final production cars.

As a matter of fact, I have not seen BMW do that either. I know @Artemis probably has examples of this where they did change which he will share with us. Kind of hoping actually so I can continue to dream that the GT4 could still be NA.

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

That's why you gotta get a 991.2 gt3 now with me. Could be the last manual(I hope not) and the last naturally aspirated(I hope not).

I have a tough decision. I always planned to purchase a house by the time I was 30 which leaves me with a few months to do it. If I have to get a GT3, I will be too stretched to purchase a house. 2 years ago I would have just bought the car but the more mature me has decided that house is more important.

Property prices and crazy taxes are the only 2 drawbacks of having to live in Southern California. I don't even care about the traffic.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The exhaust placement totally points to it being turbo. The Porsche GT boss (AP) had said in the start of 2017/end of 2016 that GT cars will be NA for the next couple of years.

If the GT4 is going to be a MY2019, it would technically be more than 2 years since he made that statement. Really really hope that I am wrong though.



I really do not think that those are fake exhaust tips. I have not seen porsche change the exhaust placement between their test mules and final production cars.

As a matter of fact, I have not seen BMW do that either. I know @Artemis probably has examples of this where they did change which he will share with us. Kind of hoping actually so I can continue to dream that the GT4 could still be NA.



I have a tough decision. I always planned to purchase a house by the time I was 30 which leaves me with a few months to do it. If I have to get a GT3, I will be too stretched to purchase a house. 2 years ago I would have just bought the car but the more mature me has decided that house is more important.

Property prices and crazy taxes are the only 2 drawbacks of having to live in Southern California. I don't even care about the traffic.

Try living in Northern California Bay area for housing prices!

[Motorsport_M]

Originally Posted by akkando

Well that is interesting.

I feel like CS name gets a bigger price bump. The Competition name gets a smaller price bump.

It's ridiculos, BMW will not sell only a CS model (limited of course as for the M4 CS) while they are selling so much M2 standard model. Don't forget, the current M2 standard will never be produced anymore... on a BMW economic side, it makes really sense to sell a competition and why not, later, a CS model.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Motorsport_M

It's ridiculos, BMW will not sell only a CS model (limited of course as for the M4 CS) while they are selling so much M2 standard model. Don't forget, the current M2 standard will never be produced anymore... on a BMW economic side, it makes really sense to sell a competition and why not, later, a CS model.

I would love to see BMW increase the number of M2 models available.

However , note that the ZCP version of the M3 and M4 basically replaced the stock version of those cars correct ? BMW ditched the original non adaptive shock setup from the first year model quickly.

I expect the M2 comp to replace the M2 with a slightly higher base price but more options boxes for the dealers (oops- BUYERS) to check so they can add some more profit to the sale.

Time will tell if bmw has the chutzpah to make an M2 CS or M2 CSL.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I would love to see BMW increase the number of M2 models available.

However , note that the ZCP version of the M3 and M4 basically replaced the stock version of those cars correct ? BMW ditched the original non adaptive shock setup from the first year model quickly.

I expect the M2 comp to replace the M2 with a slightly higher base price but more options boxes for the dealers (oops- BUYERS) to check so they can add some more profit to the sale.

Time will tell if bmw has the chutzpah to make an M2 CS or M2 CSL.

The "standard suspension" is a build option on the F80 M3. I think it's a no-cost selection as opposed to a discount however.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

The "standard suspension" is a build option on the F80 M3. I think it's a no-cost selection as opposed to a discount however.

The standard suspension has always been free. BMW originally charged additional for the adaptive setup but then made it essentially standard by making it a no cost option.

Which shows you what they think of their original non adaptive suspension.

PLEASE don't buy this.

[DDS2015]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I would love to see BMW increase the number of M2 models available.

However , note that the ZCP version of the M3 and M4 basically replaced the stock version of those cars correct ? BMW ditched the original non adaptive shock setup from the first year model quickly.

I expect the M2 comp to replace the M2 with a slightly higher base price but more options boxes for the dealers (oops- BUYERS) to check so they can add some more profit to the sale.

Time will tell if bmw has the chutzpah to make an M2 CS or M2 CSL.

I hope they have the chutzpah to make a CS or CSL version. That's the one that I want. No way in hell i'm getting rid of my M4. It has 3 pedals and was always my dream car, it's never leaving.

I think that if they don't make the CS/csl/gts version of the M2 then they'll be missing out on a lot of customers. Since I'm keeping my M4, there's no need for me to get a regular M2 or M2 CT (my dealer said it'll be badged as the CT, short for competition). I want a car that's designed for more track usage.

Before anyone says get a GT3 or GT4. The dealer here for new ones have a select group of people that they sell GT cars to and I'm not one of them. I was told I could give them a 5k deposit for a GT3 and maybe they'd consider me for the 992.2 GT3. Absolutely outrageous.

If we don't get the M2 CS then in the next couple of years I'm going to import an E46 M3 CSL. Cars like that need to be 15 years old and they can be imported without any updates to safety/emissions/etc.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by DDS2015

I hope they have the chutzpah to make a CS or CSL version. That's the one that I want. No way in hell i'm getting rid of my M4. It has 3 pedals and was always my dream car, it's never leaving.

I think that if they don't make the CS/csl/gts version of the M2 then they'll be missing out on a lot of customers. Since I'm keeping my M4, there's no need for me to get a regular M2 or M2 CT (my dealer said it'll be badged as the CT, short for competition). I want a car that's designed for more track usage.

Before anyone says get a GT3 or GT4. The dealer here for new ones have a select group of people that they sell GT cars to and I'm not one of them. I was told I could give them a 5k deposit for a GT3 and maybe they'd consider me for the 992.2 GT3. Absolutely outrageous.

If we don't get the M2 CS then in the next couple of years I'm going to import an E46 M3 CSL. Cars like that need to be 15 years old and they can be imported without any updates to safety/emissions/etc.

I've probably missed my chance to be able to afford to import a BMW E30 M3 sport Evo.

[DDS2015]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I've probably missed my chance to be able to afford to import a BMW E30 M3 sport Evo.

We might need to sell our kidneys, then pool our money to be able to afford one!

For me the E46 is what started my love affair with M3s; hence why I want the CSL.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The exhaust placement totally points to it being turbo. The Porsche GT boss (AP) had said in the start of 2017/end of 2016 that GT cars will be NA for the next couple of years.
If the GT4 is going to be a MY2019, it would technically be more than 2 years since he made that statement. Really really hope that I am wrong though.

Before getting back on-topic: Gatte, these pictures surfaced on Instagram: a new Cayman with a wing. Hm, what could that be ? (source: and ).