[Artemis]

Originally Posted by doug_999

The ones with hundreds of posts that say different things?

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Artemis

See post #1 here.

Originally Posted by Artemis

See here (post #1425).

Yes Artemis, I am very familiar with the Competition thread.The AngryBaby was not specific about which post he was referring to.

[AngryBaby]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

What post?

D'oh

EDIT: FWIW I would have linked to the big thread if I knew how to do that on mobile. But I don't.

[mmmmmazing]

I've just bought a 18 at a good discount $2500 plus staff cost on winter tire pkg.

There's always something better and as I was able to get a sunroof, manual, and updated interior, exterior tails etc. the car will be worth it.

Plus it allows me to play with it this summer and see what that relationship holds...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by AngryBaby

Dude don't you live near me? Only 1 MG/100mi is allowed.

If I upgrade to the Comp I'll be getting Hockheim so stay away from that too please thx.

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[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Artemis

See post #1 here.

Originally Posted by Artemis

See post #1425 here.

Yep, just glanced over and I'm still looking for where it says that
ALL will have the S55 (maybe there, but not at first glance....)

let's go back to the OP's question and I'll bold it for you guys

"I’m a little confused. Is the the thought that the 2019 models will all have the S55 or will the S55 be in the csl or competition or whatever the higher performance model will be called?"

Ultimately, you guys may live on this board, but not everyone does - and to expect someone to go through 1,400+ posts to try and figure this out and then give him shit when he doesn't is BS.

I am on here a bit too much and even I didn't know the base was losing the N55 until recently - because it just isn't clear in the thread - sorry Artemis, I'm just tone deaf

[DOMs335D]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Yep, just glanced over and I'm still looking for where it says that
ALL will have the S55 (maybe there, but not at first glance....)

let's go back to the OP's question and I'll bold it for you guys

"I’m a little confused. Is the the thought that the 2019 models will all have the S55 or will the S55 be in the csl or competition or whatever the higher performance model will be called?"

Ultimately, you guys may live on this board, but not everyone does - and to expect someone to go through 1,400+ posts to try and figure this out and then give him shit when he doesn't is BS.

I am on here a bit too much and even I didn't know the base was losing the N55 until recently - because it just isn't clear in the thread - sorry Artemis, I'm just tone deaf

Thanks I thought I was being slow. I scrolled through this post:

Originally Posted by Artemis

See post #1 here.

but I couldn't find anything until now, there is one line that says Competition replaces the base model. I mean the 400hp figure kind of makes sense if you look at RS3 and A45 power figures and the output of the m-lite 340.

I guess BMW is working on the new M3/4 so it is not afraid to share the S55 love in its last year.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by doug_999

I am on here a bit too much and even I didn't know the base was losing the N55 until recently - because it just isn't clear in the thread - sorry Artemis, I'm just tone deaf

Maybe also about time to pay your optometrist a visit, doug_999.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Maybe also about time to pay your optometrist a visit, doug_999.

Believe it or not, 50 and still don't need reading glasses. But give me time...

and feel free to make your post more clear for those of us with reading and listening difficulties

[beppeM3+123d]

Originally Posted by akkando

-Ignorant of the change in the MY19 model
-they prefer the N55 sound
-worried MY19 will have big price bump
-don't want to wait (long lists already for MY19 so wait could be over a year from now)
-dealer mark ups on MY19 until 2020
-want Mineral Gray (MG going away)
-think N55 more reliable than S55
-just don't care/need/want faster car.
-want out of their current car immediately
-got discount on MY18
-MY19 not even announced yet and don't want to play wait and see with what it actually is
-too much money and will upgrade to S55 M2 later anyway

Honestly they have to bump price otherwise stop selling of m4

[beppeM3+123d]

Originally Posted by beppeM3+123d

Honestly they have to bump price otherwise stop selling of m4

I owned a f32 and the car inside and outside is so much better....if you bmw customer need s55 to push it to 500 hp why don't buy now m4...what is the sense to wait 1 year and buy it at end of production....in 2020 probably end of f87...is more sensed buy now and then buy completely new m2 g series...
This is my opinion

[ShelJW]

Am I correct that the consensus is that the N55 engine sounds better?

Also, can't you tune the N55 and increase HP? If so, and you'd have better sound, wouldn't the current engine be pretty comparable to the S55?

I have LCI M2 on order, in Mineral Grey, and I don't want to wait even longer, and not be able to get the M2 in Mineral Grey, if that is a confirmed fact, that BMW is dropping that color.

Hey, the current M2 is a BLAST to drive, so I won't win as many stoplight races as I would if I waited for the new engine... not what I'm into.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by ShelJW

Hey, the current M2 is a BLAST to drive, so I won't win as many stoplight races as I would if I waited for the new engine... not what I'm into.

Agreed - stoplight racing is not only illegal, but if you end up killing someone, you get to live with that for the rest of your life.

and..
I can say that my new M3 feels no faster (actually might feel slower?) then my old M2...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by doug_999

I can say that my new M3 feels no faster (actually might feel slower?) then my old M2...

Really? That's very interesting.

I plan to try and drive the M2 this weekend - I am curious to see what the butt dyno tells me about the N55 M2 vs. ZCP F80...

[RedCarrot]

Originally Posted by doug_999

and..
I can say that my new M3 feels no faster (actually might feel slower?) then my old M2...

Please explain. Is it because of the spool lag? My friend rented a new M3 for 2 weeks out in Cali and he told me it *felt* slower than my M2 and his E92 M3. I told him it might be due to the shitty Cali gas but he was not convinced it was the only factor.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by RedCarrot

Please explain. Is it because of the spool lag? My friend rented a new M3 for 2 weeks out in Cali and he told me it *felt* slower than my M2 and his E92 M3. I told him it might be due to the shitty Cali gas but he was not convinced it was the only factor.

Spool makes sense. The S55 is tuned to make as much power as possible at redline which is not the case for the N55. The sacrifice there, and with heat exchangers, is lag down low. Now some people try to tell me the S55 is no more laggy than the N55 but that simply isn't true and it is the reason, to my initial surprise, that I walked away from an M3. I thought for sure I'd pick it up but I wasn't a fan for that very reason.

Size matters too. Smaller cars "feel" quicker. Then again sitting lower helps as well and I do think the M3 sits you a little lower.

This is why I basically tell people never to buy a car for its power or top speed. You don't get to use it in everyday scenarios and even when you do, you just get used to it, leaving only the character of the car and its response as the satisfying aspect in daily driving. For that reason I found the S55 unappealing and probably still will when it comes in the M2. Big fan of the B58 though and looking forward to what M does with it.

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by RedCarrot

Please explain. Is it because of the spool lag? My friend rented a new M3 for 2 weeks out in Cali and he told me it *felt* slower than my M2 and his E92 M3. I told him it might be due to the shitty Cali gas but he was not convinced it was the only factor.

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Really? That's very interesting.

I plan to try and drive the M2 this weekend - I am curious to see what the butt dyno tells me about the N55 M2 vs. ZCP F80...

So the roads are still a bit wet here (and have been snowy) - so I have not gotten on it much. But yesterday I did a bit and while I loved the sound (much louder than the M2), like I said, I was not blown away - and as I've said before, the M2 always felt scary fast to me.

I think some of what stefan says is true (well most ) - the smaller car often feels faster -and BMW has changed the S55 recently to make less torque down low because NOBODY was able to get the car to hook up.

So no, I'm not at redline much and yes, the M2 was a better DD in stop and go traffic from the power perspective per my butt

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Really? That's very interesting.

I plan to try and drive the M2 this weekend - I am curious to see what the butt dyno tells me about the N55 M2 vs. ZCP F80...

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Really? That's very interesting.

I plan to try and drive the M2 this weekend - I am curious to see what the butt dyno tells me about the N55 M2 vs. ZCP F80...

I am sure you know this with the P-car experience, but the engine linearity and balance are what differentiate the M2, even from the ZCP which I found significantly better than a base F80 in handling. If the test drive does not have a good road to drive, the total picture will not be evident. Sport + in the M2 will show most of the engine, DSC off will show more.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by doug_999

So the roads are still a bit wet here (and have been snowy) - so I have not gotten on it much. But yesterday I did a bit and while I loved the sound (much louder than the M2), like I said, I was not blown away - and as I've said before, the M2 always felt scary fast to me.

I think some of what stefan says is true (well most ) - the smaller car often feels faster -and BMW has changed the S55 recently to make less torque down low because NOBODY was able to get the car to hook up.

So no, I'm not at redline much and yes, the M2 was a better DD in stop and go traffic from the power perspective per my butt

I've had problems getting the car to hook up from 1-2 and 2-3, even in Texas heat, where you know the tires are hot. Like I've said in other threads - if the ZCP is a lot "better" in this regard, I can't imagine what the earlier cars felt like....

[chris719]

I don't know, at M school I thought that when you had your foot to the floor, it was pretty clear the M3/M4 was faster. At low speeds and off-the-line the difference may not be as dramatic.

[alyssafinn]

Nice Post Thanks For Sharing!

[Dr.Deep]

Originally Posted by chris719

I don't know, at M school I thought that when you had your foot to the floor, it was pretty clear the M3/M4 was faster. At low speeds and off-the-line the difference may not be as dramatic.

Check this out, good to get a feeling about the speed the different M cars. At least just straight off the line..