[Drtsk]

Originally Posted by bruin1md

I think you're going to be very happy if this is your DD.
It won't be as fun as a 6MT boxter, or possibly even the M2 in a 6MT, but it will be a great all around sports/GT car. And since it's a 4S, you won't have to worry up there in East texas the few times the roads ice over in the winter.

Regarding quality issues you mentioned in the longer post you wrote, many non Porsche people still have this misconception. Porsche reached a low point with the 996, but then worked very hard to fix things with the 997.1, which they did. By the time the 997.2 rolled out, all the IMS issues with the .1 had been worked out and Consumer Reports had started ranking the 997.2 as one of the most reliable sports you could buy.
That had already long been the case with Porsche's mid engine cars-- the cayman and boxter, which both had been rated extremely highly for reliability on consumer reports.

Admittedly, I don't know much of anything about the reliability of the 991's

991 are very reliable.
The only problem for me in almost 4 years was PCM.
Take it to a reputable indie Porsche shop for oil change. Half the cost.

[Drtsk]

Originally Posted by capt_and

Yes I did. The biggest visual change I've done is swapping the Carrera Classics to the 50th anniversary wheels. Game changer IMO.






I'm glad you like it! It is definitely the best DD out there right now. I couldn't/wouldn't drive the 911 as a DD, seats aren't comfortable, the PCM is terrible vs idrive, no cupholder, nowhere to put the phone, etc etc.

No cup holder?
It’s above the glove box!
And you don’t need a phone when driving a 911.lol

[doug_999]

Is there a chance that Porsche engineers can't count?

[SHAGG]

The only water cooled 911 worth owning is a GT2 or GT3. The difference of a GTS and GT3 behind the wheel is as different as a 320i and a M3. The M2 from my brief ownership is fun and much easier to drive. I do a lot of track and canyon driving and the M2 is more playful than my 991 GT3 RS because of the ease to drive. However, the RS blows the M2 away from a "raw" driving perspective and there is no comparison in the engines. Overall, I would say that both cars are a blast to drive but if I could only have one, it would be my 911 all day long.

[Benzima]

Originally Posted by SHAGG

The only water cooled 911 worth owning is a GT2 or GT3. The difference of a GTS and GT3 behind the wheel is as different as a 320i and a M3. The M2 from my brief ownership is fun and much easier to drive. I do a lot of track and canyon driving and the M2 is more playful than my 991 GT3 RS because of the ease to drive. However, the RS blows the M2 away from a "raw" driving perspective and there is no comparison in the engines. Overall, I would say that both cars are a blast to drive but if I could only have one, it would be my 911 all day long.

Awesome! I really like the 991 GT3 now that it is offered in manual.
Silly question: are the GT3 only 2 seats or they are 4 seats?

[msi200]

It's nice to see the M2 is being compared to cars that are 2 to 4 times more expensive

[Bt12]

Originally Posted by msi200

It's nice to see the M2 is being compared to cars that are 2 to 4 times more expensive

Which really makes it not an apples to apples comparison... but we keep comparing.

[SHAGG]

Originally Posted by Benzima

Awesome! I really like the 991 GT3 now that it is offered in manual.
Silly question: are the GT3 only 2 seats or they are 4 seats?

GT3 & RS only have 2 seats

[Benzima]

Originally Posted by SHAGG

GT3 & RS only have 2 seats

Thanks!

[norMcal]

Originally Posted by SHAGG

The only water cooled 911 worth owning is a GT2 or GT3. The difference of a GTS and GT3 behind the wheel is as different as a 320i and a M3. The M2 from my brief ownership is fun and much easier to drive. I do a lot of track and canyon driving and the M2 is more playful than my 991 GT3 RS because of the ease to drive. However, the RS blows the M2 away from a "raw" driving perspective and there is no comparison in the engines. Overall, I would say that both cars are a blast to drive but if I could only have one, it would be my 911 all day long.

Nice stable. Love the GT3 RS

[seetohey]

Originally Posted by Bt12

Which really makes it not an apples to apples comparison... but we keep comparing.

Yup, different markets. I've never once had a 911 owner wave or chat with me anywhere and I run into a lot of them around the South Bay and driving along the PCH, even when I wave at them first. But I have always had Scion tC driving pimply teens compliment my M2 at gas stations.

[kenloh63]

I was also comparing a used 911 (991) to a brand new M2.
Like most of you guys, A 911 is my dream car. I remember my dad telling me “forget it. You’ll never be able to afford one”!
Now that I can afford one, I decided on a M2 because of price and practicality. Will I regret it? (Still waiting for delivery) probably not.
Cos 1 day I will have my 911...... it’s just not the right time now because of the kids.

[jaxon2]

Last Wednesday I moved to an M2.

Owned a 2009 997.2. Black on black 55k miles. Manual. Great car.

Purchased 2018 M2. Black on Black 10 miles. Purchased 3 days ago. Great car

I figured I can always go back to a car like my old 911 if I want to.

It was time for a change. Newer technology. M2 is quicker. More nimble. Better daily driver for me. And more fun to me. I've owned several BMW's. Several Porsche's. Loved them all. Wish I could have kept them all but that's just not feasible.

Cheers !

[bobert]

Originally Posted by jaxon2

Last Wednesday I moved to an M2.

Owned a 2009 997.2. Black on black 55k miles. Manual. Great car.

Purchased 2018 M2. Black on Black 10 miles. Purchased 3 days ago. Great car

I figured I can always go back to a car like my old 911 if I want to.

It was time for a change. Newer technology. M2 is quicker. More nimble. Better daily driver for me. And more fun to me. I've owned several BMW's. Several Porsche's. Loved them all. Wish I could have kept them all but that's just not feasible.

Cheers !

How is the M2 quicker than a 2009 911? Seems it should be a dead heat...

[bobert]

Originally Posted by Benzima

Awesome! I really like the 991 GT3 now that it is offered in manual.
Silly question: are the GT3 only 2 seats or they are 4 seats?

The new GT3 technically has 4 'seats' if you don't get the optional race buckets up front. You lose the rear 'seats' if you get that option; otherwise you get the traditional (unusable) rear 'seats'.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by bobert

The new GT3 technically has 4 'seats' if you don't get the optional race buckets up front. You lose the rear 'seats' if you get that option; otherwise you get the traditional (unusable) rear 'seats'.

I have a 2003 911 996TT, which I believe is a little smaller than the current cohort of 911s. Nonetheless, I definitely do not find the rear seats to be useless. I would not want to be a passenger back there myself, but for transporting stuff, or carrying my ~42 lb doodle, it's great. You will not get a Bernese Mountain dog back there, of course. Surprisingly (at least to me), the cargo carrying capacity of my 996TT is really only slightly less than my 1-Series cars (former 135i Coupe & 1M) and maybe about the same as my 135is convertible, which has a slightly reduced usable trunk volume. I do need to be a little more careful when choosing such things as coolers, especially for stuff that will go in the "frunk," but by moving stuff around between the frunk and the back and front seats, these cars can carry more stuff than you would think.

[bobert]

Originally Posted by champignon

I have a 2003 911 996TT, which I believe is a little smaller than the current cohort of 911s. Nonetheless, I definitely do not find the rear seats to be useless. I would not want to be a passenger back there myself, but for transporting stuff, or carrying my ~42 lb doodle, it's great. You will not get a Bernese Mountain dog back there, of course. Surprisingly (at least to me), the cargo carrying capacity of my 996TT is really only slightly less than my 1-Series cars (former 135i Coupe & 1M) and maybe about the same as my 135is convertible, which has a slightly reduced usable trunk volume. I do need to be a little more careful when choosing such things as coolers, especially for stuff that will go in the "frunk," but by moving stuff around between the frunk and the back and front seats, these cars can carry more stuff than you would think.

You are absolutely correct - what I meant was they are "unusable as seating for people".

[navarrojiii]

Originally Posted by bobert

The new GT3 technically has 4 'seats' if you don't get the optional race buckets up front. You lose the rear 'seats' if you get that option; otherwise you get the traditional (unusable) rear 'seats'.

You are incorrect. At least in North America you cannot get rear seats on a GT3.

[bobert]

Originally Posted by navarrojiii

You are incorrect. At least in North America you cannot get rear seats on a GT3.

You're right - thanks for pointing that out. I can't remember where I read that, but it was indeed incorrect.

[mmmmmazing]

Just sold my 17 Carrera and have gone back to an M2 but this time a manual.

991.2 is an awesome car but I'm sick of owning such an expensive vehicle and have changed my priorities somewhat. My wife and I often swap vehicles depending on who has what on and she's never felt comfortable driving such an expensive vehicle.

I'll tell you the hardest thing to do is not own a 911. Its intoxicating how they sound, drive and feel. I've lost literally no money on the few 991.1's and 991.2 I've owned (all bought pre-owned).

[SHAGG]

Originally Posted by bobert

The new GT3 technically has 4 'seats' if you don't get the optional race buckets up front. You lose the rear 'seats' if you get that option; otherwise you get the traditional (unusable) rear 'seats'.

This is incorrect. There are no seats in the back of the GT3/RS no mater which optional seats you choose. There are humps in the back where seats would be on a regular 911 that are carpeted over and there are no seatbelts.

[bobert]

Originally Posted by SHAGG

This is incorrect. There are no seats in the back of the GT3/RS no mater which optional seats you choose. There are humps in the back where seats would be on a regular 911 that are carpeted over and there are no seatbelts.

So you didn't see that was already pointed out only three posts above, and acknowledged in the next post after that?

I was looking at both the GT3 and the T on the configurator, and I briefly got them mixed up - it's the T that has rear seats but loses them if you get the optional full/race buckets.