[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Here's what M2 project manager Frank Isenberg said at the end of 2015 about the M2 tires, suspension and brakes:

"That chunkier body - 55mm wider front, 80mm rear - is essential to cover wider track courtesy of M4 forged aluminium suspension components. «The track is the same, but the M4 tyres wouldn't fit, so the tyres are 10mm narrower,» says Isenberg. The Michelin Pilot Sports measure 245/35 ZR19 front, 265/35 ZR19 rear.
The suspension is matched to bespoke springs and dampers but there's no adapative suspension. «The problem with adaptive dampers is you're changing the damper, not the spring, so you end up with a spring that is a compromise between two settings,» explains Isenberg.
Underneath the M2's squat body, additional bracing increases rigidity. «Boomerang braces» arc between headlamps and front wings, struts angled at 45 degrees glint through both kidney grilles like a rollcage through a rear window, and both the A-pillar and boot also sent for reinforcements.
The M4's optional carbon-ceramic brakes aren't offered, engineers arguing that the cost, plus the reduced power and weight of the M2 negate the need. Instead, regular M4 brakes are carried over - drilled discs all round, four-piston calipers front, two-piston rear - and you can ask your dealer for track pads; there's no performance increase and they squeak, but the last longer."
(source: here)

Regarding suspension and the forthcoming M2 Competition:

"No performance increase " for the M performance track pads. :


Apparently slowing/STOPPING when on track isn't a performance increase.

And ya gotta love how he downplays the adaptive suspension. It's better to have a one trick pony if it's an M2.. but an M3 or M4 are apparently so much better suited to adaptive that it's now a ZERO COST OPTION because they don't want people to get the one trick pony version ...

[Tag]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

"No performance increase " for the M performance track pads. :


Apparently slowing/STOPPING when on track isn't a performance increase.

And ya gotta love how he downplays the adaptive suspension. It's better to have a one trick pony if it's an M2.. but an M3 or M4 are apparently so much better suited to adaptive that it's now a ZERO COST OPTION because they don't want people to get the one trick pony version ...

This is one area that actually concerns me about the upcoming M2 Competition. It won't get adaptive suspension, but if they retune the current one to be stiffer than it already is that's going to suck as a DD. They did that with the M3/4 Competition Pack, stiffer springs and returned suspension.

[DieGrüneHölle]

The upgraded brake option(2NH) does look very similar to the F10 M5 steel brakes. Which are 6 piston front with 395mm rotors.

Front M2 Competition Test Mule


Front F10 M5

[lax01]

Direct bolt-on upgrade for 2016/2017?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

The upgraded brake option(2NH) does look very similar to the F10 M5 steel brakes. Which are 6 piston front with 395mm rotors.

Yes, many other BMW models also offer 2NH as an option. For instance, here's the pricing guide for the 2018 5 series where you'll see 2NH as a $650 option.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

The upgraded brake option(2NH) does look very similar to the F10 M5 steel brakes. Which are 6 piston front with 395mm rotors.
Front M2 Competition Test Mule
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Front F10 M5
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Yeah, I singled out that wheel close-up from an October 2017 video (it's a 'still' taken at 00:56) (see post #942 of this thread).

See also here (post #25 of another thread) (September 2017):

Originally Posted by Artemis

Option code 2NH: "M Sportbrake" ("M Sportbremse")

Not saying that the brakes/rotors in the (older) M2 CS test mule pictured below are CCBs, but to my eyes these look bigger than the ones sporting the base M2.

Forum fellow lemetier pointed out that those are Fxx M5/6 fronts (400mm) and a unique hybrid rear setup. The 4 piston rear caliper comes from the F8x M3/4 MCCB, disc friction ring is M5/6 sized (395mm), and disc hat (with incorporated handbrake drum) is new, he commented.


(source: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...php?p=21237030)

Front and rear - base M2 (front rotors feature 3 rows of drilled holes):


Front and rear - M2 CS test mule (front rotors feature 4 rows of drilled holes):

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by Tag

Yes, many other BMW models also offer 2NH as an option. For instance, here's the pricing guide for the 2018 5 series where you'll see 2NH as a $650 option.

Yeah, I think the 2NH goes back to the 335i. 2NH option was basically the M performance system, minus the dimple and slotted rotors(4 piston front, 2 piston rear).

The M2 Competition 2NH seem like a more aggressive upgrade, most likely will carry a larger premium than $650.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Yeah, I think the 2NH goes back to the 335i. 2NH option was basically the M performance system, minus the dimple and slotted rotors(4 piston front, 2 piston rear).

The M2 Competition 2NH seem like a more aggressive upgrade, most likely will carry a larger premium than $650.

It's the same thing or else the option code would be different. I agree with you, I doubt BMW will charge $650 on an M2. There will be a price hike.

[filet.M2c]

Probably won't be much more info until the official release. What are we anticipating for costs on the brakes, sport seats, and wheels?

[adc]

Originally Posted by synergist

Probably won't be much more info until the official release. What are we anticipating for costs on the brakes, sport seats, and wheels?

I’ll play. $3.5k, $1.5k, $1k.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Adaptive suspension and ceramic brakes: looks like those are not gonna be made available for the M2 Competition.

If you want those, get an M3/M4.

No, the correct answer would be get the M2 and add CC brakes and KW adjustable suspension.
I will do this long before I buy M3, M4

[look585]

I'm curious what the CS is going to weigh?

Would love a 3000 pound car.

[3tekcorps]

Originally Posted by look585

I'm curious what the CS is going to weigh?

Would love a 3000 pound car.

Yeah.. My daughter would love a pony.

Should be lighter than a Camaro Zl1.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by look585

I'm curious what the CS is going to weigh?
Would love a 3000 pound car.

You'd love 3000 pound (± 1360 kg) ?

Point to note for a quick reality-check:

Originally Posted by Artemis

Allow me to remind to an earlier post:

Of course BMW can still shave off some weight here and there with light-weight materials and by deleting some creature comforts, but they can't fundamentally rebuild the car and cannot make production cost and sales price prohibitively high. In the end, the main purpose remains to make profits and, hence, to find customers who are prepared to pay for a car positioned in a pretty competitive market segment featuring customers easily (s)hopping between brands.

Offer the M2 CS as 'manual gearbox only' (à la 1M and Cayman GT4) and the 25 kg M-DCT extra weight is avoided + it may not step way too hard on M3/M4 M-DCT toes. Don't fit the M4 GTS Water Injection system as that would add extra weight.

Hopefully no creative 'sneaky with statistics': Cayman GT4 fuel tank: 55-litre stock - 64-litre as a no cost option. No impact on boot space. 997.2 RS: 67-litre stock - 90-litre as a no cost option. Curb weight measurement in the EU is based on the fuel tank being filled to 90% of its capacity. Using a smaller fuel tank allows Porsche to show a lower weight figure on the official spec sheet. Every kilo counts in car weight marketing.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by adc

I’ll play. $3.5k, $1.5k, $1k.

I don’t see the brakes being that much. They will be more than $650 2NH on other models, but not $3k more. My guess is seats will require perforated leather option.

[MR.]

Little birdy told me the same thing I read here about the wider track of the M2C.

I honestly cannot believe it will happen, but let's wait and see. It would be a nice extra.

MR

[akkando]

Originally Posted by MR.

Little birdy told me the same thing I read here about the wider track of the M2C.

I honestly cannot believe it will happen, but let's wait and see. It would be a nice extra.

MR

Seems like a whole new car in some ways.

[adc]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

I don’t see the brakes being that much. They will be more than $650 2NH on other models, but not $3k more. My guess is seats will require perforated leather option.

I’m contemplating a big brake kit for my M3, so what I am saying is that I’d gladly pay $3.5k for an OEM big brake kit. Even better if it’s cheaper.

The question I have with the perforated option is this: the M3 has perforated leather (center section) but it’s Merino leather not Dakota. So will BMW use Dakota leather with a perforated center section or will those seats require an upgrade in the leather quality/grade as well? That would add $$ to the cost.


I wish they came out with the official announcement and test drives already. I placed an order for an Individual M3 via ED at the end of August, and would dearly like to know if I should switch to an M2 Competition instead.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by adc

I’m contemplating a big brake kit for my M3, so what I am saying is that I’d gladly pay $3.5k for an OEM big brake kit. Even better if it’s cheaper.

The question I have with the perforated option is this: the M3 has perforated leather (center section) but it’s Merino leather not Dakota. So will BMW use Dakota leather with a perforated center section or will those seats require an upgrade in the leather quality/grade as well? That would add $$ to the cost.


I wish they came out with the official announcement and test drives already. I placed an order for an Individual M3 via ED at the end of August, and would dearly like to know if I should switch to an M2 Competition instead.

Most of your questions can already be answered via the leaked VINs thread.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...7#post22232547
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1461147

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by adc

The question I have with the perforated option is this: the M3 has perforated leather (center section) but it’s Merino leather not Dakota. So will BMW use Dakota leather with a perforated center section or will those seats require an upgrade in the leather quality/grade as well? That would add $$ to the cost.

Yes, no Merino leather.

Most likely something along the lines of this(perforated dakota leather), but with the choice of blue or orange stitching.

[adc]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Yes, no Merino leather.
Most likely something along the lines of this(perforated dakota leather), but with the choice of blue or orange stitching.
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Excellent, thanks.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by adc

The question I have with the perforated option is this: the M3 has perforated leather (center section) but it’s Merino leather not Dakota. So will BMW use Dakota leather with a perforated center section or will those seats require an upgrade in the leather quality/grade as well? That would add $$ to the cost.

Try to imagine: one-piece black F82 M4 seats (not the ZCP version featuring cut-outs) including the ///M logo hexagon plaque at the top of the middle part, but this time in black Dakota leather, blue or orange contrast-stitching, the block/stripe design in the middle part (4 blocks on base and 6 blocks on upper/vertical middle seat part) in a different color (for example orange if the contrast stitching is orange) either plain or perforated (depending on the chosen option), and a slice of alcantara (instead of leather) curving along the outside of the upper/vertical seat part (the part parallel with, and closest to, the door) (not inside the side bolsters as on the M4 CS).

That's how the M2 M Sports Seats (option 712) could be.