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There is a tremendous amount of speculation here on an S55 for the M2 based on an exhaust which looks like M3/M4. My vote is an S55 version would be a GTS at a price at least as high as a base M4 if not more.
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I would think the natural or at least chronological successor for the N55 in the M2 application would be the the B58 engine since they are both produced at the Leipzig plant which means no tooling moves. A simple phase out of the N55. The question then becomes ... is the B58 a new M2 base engine with just a minor HP/Torque upgrade and a small price increase for 2018MY? Or ... a super duper M2 with a little beast under the hood and a larger price increase of over $60k to alienate almost all of us? Hmmm....fun times. |
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seriously, if this car gets the s55 in 2018 I am going to hate BMW for forcing me to buy the damn thing!!! Argh!
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BMW did mention the wider width of the M2 requires the factory to adjust the assembly line of the regular 2 series but the cost of this adjustment is only a fraction of developing brand new parts of its own(engine, chassis, suspension) This is the reason I mentioned Lexus LFA. everything about LFA is all its own. they lost tons of money per car that was delivered to the customers because no parts are shared with any other Lexus range. they even created a new way to make carbon fiber instead of a traditional way just for this car. M2 on the other hand, the widebody (cosmetics) is the only thing that's significant to this car. all were bought together from the bin with a great calibration by the engineers and test drivers.
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I really do want to know how we think BMW is not making money on the M2. Artemis, Can you chime in or point us to something that tells us whether or not BMW is not making enough money on the M2.
Not continuing the M4 and just having an M2 that can be highly customized is not going to work because there are a lot of people who want the bigger car and more interior room which you just cannot get with an M2. I really think that the M2 or M2 CS/CSL/GTS will not get a major body change since it will be more expensive to retool their presses, retool and re-program the CNCs for the new weld points etc.. They will probably just add a wing, aero parts, remove some of the parts that can be removed, add in more CF parts to reduce weight and that's about it. |
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10-31-2016, 01:13 PM | #76 |
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Probably price increase of at least $300. Economies of scale will not make it more expensive.
Looking fwd to the s55 implementation on the LCI M2. Also, BMW, please bring in Melbourne Red, Valencia Orange, or Sakhir Orange to the M2.
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Lots of ppl smoking crack in this thread.
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I love watching all the non M2 owners clamoring for the car in any way possible. ANYTHING BUT THE N55!! Even though its vastly different than any one before it..... Jealousy is the sincerest form of flattery and you all reek of it...... REEK!!
The S55 variant will be an expensive car. A B58 variant is probably more likely to happen. Any way you slice it, the chassis is the best BMW makes right now, and the Parts bin analogy doesn't hold water in my view. Btwn the changes to the gearbox, the engine, and suspension unique to this car, it was a fully developed M product, so much so that it is faster than M4's around tracks. One could argue they needed to ENGINEER the car not to be too much faster than the big brother around a track. Skinnier tires was one sure fire way to do that for instance. If you dont get all this, then you dont get the M2 for what it is. And if you want an S55 in the car, you now have lost all that is truly great about this car. Price, sound, balance. Keep waiting for the 65k S55 variant that sounds like, "someone farted in a Kazoo under water." Thats the best quote i've heard about it. I truly hate the S55 engine and I think it is a horrible power plant choice for this car. Work buddy has an M3 and I rip on him every time we drive to lunch in it. |
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I'm going to be extremely speculative here, but it's not a shock if the LCI is a substantive upgrade on a few fronts. I think it is a safe assumption to say that BMW knows what is in their pipeline and didn't just wake up one day and say let's throw a B58 or S55 in the M2.
This internal knowledge is perhaps reflected in the residuals for M2 leases. I don't think I've seen a BMW in recent years with residuals as low as 50% after three years. If I were in BMW's shoes and knew that something that was markedly improved or much more appealing was coming, I wouldn't want a whole bunch of cars coming back at the end of the lease period, which might be the likely scenario if the residuals were in the high 50% or low 60% range. To me, the surprise is that this is coming in year 2 rather than year 3.
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well....shit....i'm taking delivery of my 2017 around thanksgiving. hope i don't get buttfucked by whatever the LCI is going to have.
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Also, as others have said, the low residual could just be a risk hedge - set when they didn't know the demand curve yet. There are other possibilities besides they planned on devaluing the car with their own actions. |
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