[ryem3]

I'll be the first one to call this out as rehashed old information and not real news.

[ryem3]

Reading the German, my interpretation of the article suggests that all m models start as base cars and later in the model run are offered with a "competition package" as we've already seen several times with the m3. Really nothing new here. A bit odd that they discontinue the base model, but anything is possible.

[medphysdave]

I think the discontinuation of the base model is a marketing ploy to spare the feelings of the few N55 folks that won't be pleased by this.

By "eliminating" the base model with it makes it easier to rationalize.

For those that plan to "tune" the platform, the S55 will be the superior option. For those that don't, who cares if it's N55 or S55.

[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by ryem3

I'll be the first one to call this out as rehashed old information and not real news.

No one said it was news, besides you. It's just another source of information.

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I think the discontinuation of the base model is a marketing ploy to spare the feelings of the few N55 folks that won't be pleased by this.

By "eliminating" the base model with it makes it easier to rationalize.

From the opinions expressed here, plus the survey results, not many people seem to care. I certainly don't.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

I think the discontinuation of the base model is a marketing ploy to spare the feelings of the few N55 folks that won't be pleased by this.

By "eliminating" the base model with it makes it easier to rationalize.

For those that plan to "tune" the platform, the S55 will be the superior option. For those that don't, who cares if it's N55 or S55.

Yes, the "crappy" version will be more limited now.

[Motorsport_M]

So the brand new BMW M2 competition will replace the standard M2 which make sense for me. Good news, the M2 competition will have to keep a good price level (gap will be not so big as M4 standard vs. M4 CS, this make no sense) and this version will probably have to fight against the new RS3 and TT-RS with 400hp.
Later, we will probably see the real CS limited version.

[ryem3]

Totally agree, will need to compete with the 400hp competition. I'm on the list for the cs and don't intend to use my slot to buy a "competition package".

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by CommitConfirm

Let me clarify, I've seen a lot of reports based report on reports on rumor.
An M2 CS or Competition or whatever will be an S55 based vehicle for MY2019 due for delivery June/July 2018.
I suspect the replacement of the N55 for the S55 may have something to do with EU emissions regulations.
A hardcore CSL/GTS will be in 2019/20

Originally Posted by Chako

Thank you, as some astute forum members have speculated: S55 M2 replacing the base M2 (Not limited but also not easy to get at least at first), reasonable price increase, likely an array of options as the VINs so far have shown, 2018 release.
This will be quite the pocket rocket!

Originally Posted by Motorsport_M

So the brand new BMW M2 competition will replace the standard M2 which make sense for me. Good news, the M2 competition will have to keep a good price level (gap will be not so big as M4 standard vs. M4 CS, this make no sense) and this version will probably have to fight against the new RS3 and TT-RS with 400hp.
Later, we will probably see the real CS limited version.

Smoke on the water is clearing:

• N55B30T0 engine production discontinued in June 2018;
• two M2 variants, each getting the S55 engine:
  • 2018: M2 Competition (street + track);
  • 2019: M2 CSL (more track-oriented).

For the record: what was reported last April:

Originally Posted by Artemis

APRIL 2017: some interesting info surfaced in the M2 section of the German forum '2erTalk' (sources: here, here and here):

• January 2018: M2 CS ordering process starts
• March 2018: M2 CS goes into production | S55 engine | 410 hp | no limited edition
• March 2019: M2 GTS (or M2 CSL?) goes into production | S55 engine | 450 hp | limited edition/production (the '999' figure has been heard, but could change)

Time will tell if the above information is accurate. Interesting, to say the least. First time that I read that the M2 GTS is definitely scheduled. I thought it was just some pipe dream. But actually, this could make sense if you consider BMW M special models history: a limited edition M2 GTS as the final curtain call for the first-generation M2 (end of production: 2020).

[tokon]

Originally Posted by ryem3

I'm on the list for the cs and don't intend to use my slot to buy a "competition package".

And if there will be no M2 CS?

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by tokon

And if there will be no M2 CS?

Walt'n for the CSL

[Motorsport_M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Smoke on the water is clearing:

• N55B30T0 engine production discontinued in June 2018;
• two M2 variants, each getting the S55 engine:
  • 2018: M2 Competition (street + track);
  • 2019: M2 CSL (more track-oriented).

For the record: what was reported last April:

What I don't understand is why BMW took the decision to call the new M2 "competition" and not "CS" ?
So what does this mean ? The M2 competition will not be so "track oriented" as the M4 CS vs. Competition ? M2 competition will be "in line" with the M4 pack competition ? (same kind of set up).

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Smoke on the water is clearing:

• N55B30T0 engine production discontinued in June 2018;
• two M2 variants, each getting the S55 engine:
  • 2018: M2 Competition (street + track);
  • 2019: M2 CSL (more track-oriented).

For the record: what was reported last April:

I see how you said what I've said - that I think will happen all along was - " a pipe dream"

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by ryem3

Walt'n for the CSL

I been waiting for years !

[chmura]

CSL will be most certainly 100% DCT only.

So I have no interest in it.

Give me the M2 with s55/6MT and make it handle better than the standard M2 and you all can have your CSL.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Motorsport_M

What I don't understand is why BMW took the decision to call the new M2 "competition" and not "CS" ?

First and foremost: all comments in this thread are inevitably speculation based on snippets of information here and there surfacing on the interwebs, rumors, assumptions and logical inferences. Hits and misses. BMW has not even officially confirmed the existence of any M2 variant. Hence, most questions asked in this thread cannot be properly answered yet. We can only give it a try, for what it's worth.

Back to your questions.

About the "M2 Competition" instead of "M2 CS" name: BMW M risks to be asked repeatedly to answer that question in future interviews.

Forum fellow MR. reported that there has been an internal debate about the name. For sure the "M2 CS" name has been considered in the past (for example "F87CS" featured at some point in the system), but it appears that, in the end, the "M2 Competition" name got the upper hand (all leaked USA-spec VINs mention "M2 Competition").

For sure, an M2 with S55 engine kitted with all track-oriented options deserves a "CS" badge. But the M3/M4 price tag may scare away potential customers. Offer the M2 with the S55 engine and make virtually everything optional, and different types of customers can configure their own car the way they want, from minimal (outside or lower M3/M4 price range) to all the way (M3/M4 price range). More potential customers and good sales.

Though I'm secretly still hoping that BMW offers a "CS package": Hockenheim Silver Metallic body color + all track-oriented gear (bigger brakes, lighter wheels, one-piece sport seats, de-restricted V-max, etc.).

Originally Posted by Motorsport_M

So what does this mean ? The M2 competition will not be so "track oriented" as the M4 CS vs. Competition ? M2 competition will be "in line" with the M4 pack competition ? (same kind of set up).

Let's distinguish the "M2 Competition" (2018) and "M2 CSL" (2019).

As already reported: words of BMW M boss Frank Van Meel during an interview last month:

Van Meel said that the CSL designation will replace GTS on the four-rung hierarchy of M cars, which starts with the base model then progresses to Competition Pack, CS, then CSL. Like the GTS, CSLs will be BMW M's most hardcore offerings.
"CSL [will be] the top-of-the-line track tool, made on the track for the track, just with a number plate," Van Meel said. With a CSL, you can expect cup tires, coilover suspension, a roll cage, water injection, and a fire extinguisher. Van Meel says that the CS on the other hand is "also a track tool, but with four seats," and more emphasis on comfort.
(source: here)

Remember that the E46 M3 CSL was a 4-seater that could also be used as daily driver or family car.

[M2wolf]

Will the competition version (non limited) come with a carbon roof?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M2wolf

Will the competition version (non limited) come with a carbon roof?

That's another question that no-one can answer yet.

What we do know:

• the base M2 doesn't have a CF roof;
• none of the spotted M2 variant test mules seemed to have the double-bubble CF shaped roof;
• the base M2 can be ordered with glass sliding roof (option 403); in the meantime also available as option in the US (± €1,000/$1,050);
• some "M2 Competition" VINs feature the glass sliding roof (option 403);
• an M3/M4 has standard a CF roof, but can be ordered with a glass sliding roof (metal roof) (no-cost option).

My guess:

• no CF roof for the M2 Competition; glass sliding roof optional;
• CF roof the M2 CSL.

[CarbonBlackJack]

Random thought:

Looking at the M4 hierarchy, the "CS" moniker carries a significant premium over the base (among other trims). The price point of a potential M2 CS doesn't work given available options and how you start bumping up against an MSRP of a true M2 CSL car.

As a result, maybe a car trim that carries a list of available sport options and is essentially a watered down CS but not as cheap as a ZCP is where "Competition" comes up?

[M2 CSL]

Originally Posted by CarbonBlackJack

Random thought:

Looking at the M4 hierarchy, the "CS" moniker carries a significant premium over the base (among other trims). The price point of a potential M2 CS doesn't work given available options and how you start bumping up against an MSRP of a true M2 CSL car.

As a result, maybe a car trim that carries a list of available sport options and is essentially a watered down CS but not as cheap as a ZCP is where "Competition" comes up?

Agree. BMW likely just knows they can charge more for a competition named model than a base car with a competition pack even if it's the same exact car. Also gives them an out to charge more than a base m4 with a mere competition package which they will likely have to do because it will be 'faster round the ring'. Because Competition model, that's why suckers!

[Motorsport_M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

First and foremost: all comments in this thread are inevitably speculation based on snippets of information here and there surfacing on the interwebs, rumors, assumptions and logical inferences. Hits and misses. BMW has not even officially confirmed the existence of any M2 variant. Hence, most questions asked in this thread cannot be properly answered yet. We can only give it a try, for what it's worth.
Back to your questions.

Thanks for your reply, interesting to have different points of view of what is going to happen with this M2 even if all is based on assumption or logical inferences

If we believe the rumors, the M2 competition is going to replace the standard M2, BMW maybe wanted to offer a fairly price on the model and improve their prime margin by adding a "CS Pack" track oriented - what you mentioned make sense for me but this does not go against what Van Meel said ? If what you said is true, the 2019 will not be a CSL.. .
Anyway a M2 CS cannot be sold with a price about 100kE in Europe (Germany, France, ...) -with of course some options-, this is too much for this kind of cars. They have maybe asked some potential customers and take the decision to call the M2 "competition" to be more competitive on the market. I cannot image the M2 competition with a higher price as the Audi TT RS.

Bonus question: I heard that the future BMW 2 series will always be RWD ? true ?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Motorsport_M

Bonus question: I heard that the future BMW 2 series will always be RWD ? true ?

The 2-Series Active Tourer has FWD. And wasn't there also a rumor that the 2021 2er Gran Coupé may be FWD ?

But as regards BMW M cars: no plans yet for FWD. See: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...r-wheel-drive/ ("BMW M Hasn't Given Up on Rear-Wheel Drive and Manual Transmissions Yet").

BMW ads from the past:

[Hegge]

Can someone like Artemis or MR. speculate if the M2 competition is going to be limited to 1,000 units or so? Also, what percentage of price increase? In the states a base M4 is around $64K, so is this a price point for M2 competition?