[dvas]

IMO, overall front bumper design of M2C is much worse than OGM2. The grill, fangs, vents and general shape. It's a shame because I'd love to have the added front stiffness, steering controls and extra power.

[M-Pilot]

There are fans of both designs. I much prefer the M2C new design over OG M2 (except for the fugly muffler). M2C has a more agressive front end and the grills on OG M2 already look dated IMO. Yes, you read it right, I prefer the more angular, connected (aka Kia) grills.

[Fear-Mongrel]

I don't mind the three front slats, though I'd wish they were functional because somewhere along the way someone is going to ask you what they do and it would grate on me to say "they're just for looks, they don't do anything". But I especially like them when you get the car in white and put the three M stripes on - that looks really good. I also don't have an issue with the fangs, and I don't even care about the parking sensor circles - they don't look distracting to me at all, though I know they bother others.

It's that damned grill though. I just don't get it. Why, BMW, why did you have to take what was such a beautiful car in the front and do that to the grill? It basically forces you to buy the car in black, so the grill blends in and sort of becomes invisible. I know this horse has been beaten to oblivion, but I expected the passage of months would allow the grill to grow on me. It hasn't - it's still awful. I don't care if they shove a Rolls Royce jet engine under the hood and it goes 0-100 so fast it warps time...it just looks wrong. YMMV, but I want to enjoy my car even when it's not moving. The irony is, I agree that the new design makes the original M2 design look "dated", in the same way that Porsche's fried-egg headlight design instantly made the round 993 headlights look "dated" back in 1997. But we all know how that lousy idea turned out. Porsche came to realize that everyone liked the "dated" look better. And with the huge muffler can, BMW actually found a way to take a successful design and go backwards at both ends of the car.

[KayCM2]

I am just going to leave this here.

Evolve shows dyno numbers from Stock N55 to Stock M2C, stage 1 with intercoolers n55, and m3/4 s55

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by KayCM2

I am just going to leave this here.

Evolve shows dyno numbers from Stock N55 to Stock M2C, stage 1 with intercoolers n55, and m3/4 s55

What's interesting with these results is that they are consistent with factory rating spot on, contrary to the prevailing wisdom that F80/82 is hugely underrated and F87 not so much.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Yep, thanks I was looking for this image to post. If you think a N55 M2 is nearly as fast as a S55 M2 you're in denial. That's stock for stock. Add a tune to both cars and the gap is hilarious.

Comments of M2C owners/fans when their car is getting spanked by a Camaro;

That's if track performance is your only criteria for buying a car like this.

Unless you live your life "a quarter mile at a time" a Camero tracking faster lap times than a M2C is not really news..

My car choices aren't just about 0-60 times or how fast it goes around the ring. It's the whole experience.

Most M2c owners wont be using their car the same way 1le owners will.

I am not a track rat and I want a car that I actually want to be seen in and enjoy driving.

Interesting how the goal posts of being fastest move depending on where your car places in comparison.

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

Comments of M2C owners/fans when their car is getting spanked by a Camaro;











Interesting how the goal posts of being fastest move depending on where your car places in comparison.

He's comparing N55 to S55, which I assume you are aware of the difference. Not only the stock vs stock power difference but also the difference in terms of tuning potential. So not really sure what's your point replying to his post with bunch of comments and excuses from Camaro thread. Yes, it's funny to see some of these comments because Camaro SS 1LE, Mustang GT350, or even the new Mustang 5.0 with Performance Pack perform better than any M car while they cost significantly less at least in the US (their track performance either head to head with M4 GTS or even better at some tracks).

However, since you brought up these excuses, I recommend you putting the same effort on OG M2 forum as well. Whenever there is a mention of the power difference between the OG M2 or M2C, you can easily see comments like "OG M2 has more than enough power already", "I don't track anyway, it's already perfect for street driving and no need for more power", "You can't even use all that power on the street" etc. On the other hand, when there is a track related discussion, these same OG M2 owners, while stating they don't track their cars in other threads, also don't hesitate to go into heated arguments about lap times and brag about how capable the OG M2 (of course only when it matches or beats the lap time of another car. If the results are not in favor of OG M2, of course they don't care because they don't track and all they care is how amazing it sounds and handles when they are commuting to work).

That being said, the point you are trying to make goes both ways. People who never been to a race track in their lives or people who are scared to turn off their traction control brag about lap times or argue how great their cars are on track. This is not news on this forum and as I said, you can see this in any subforum regardless of the car model (OG M2, M2C, M3, M4 doesn't matter).

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by cntzl

He's comparing N55 to S55, which I assume you are aware of the difference. Not only the stock vs stock power difference but also the difference in terms of tuning potential. So not really sure what's your point replying to his post with bunch of comments and excuses from Camaro thread. Yes, it's funny to see some of these comments because Camaro SS 1LE, Mustang GT350, or even the new Mustang 5.0 with Performance Pack perform better than any M car while they cost significantly less at least in the US (their track performance either head to head with M4 GTS or even better at some tracks).

However, since you brought up these excuses, I recommend you putting the same effort on OG M2 forum as well. Whenever there is a mention of the power difference between the OG M2 or M2C, you can easily see comments like "OG M2 has more than enough power already", "I don't track anyway, it's already perfect for street driving and no need for more power", "You can't even use all that power on the street" etc. On the other hand, when there is a track related discussion, these same OG M2 owners, while stating they don't track their cars in other threads, also don't hesitate to go into heated arguments about lap times and brag about how capable the OG M2 (of course only when it matches or beats the lap time of another car. If the results are not in favor of OG M2, of course they don't care because they don't track and all they care is how amazing it sounds and handles when they are commuting to work).

That being said, the point you are trying to make goes both ways. People who never been to a race track in their lives or people who are scared to turn off their traction control brag about lap times or argue how great their cars are on track. This is not news on this forum and as I said, you can see this in any subforum regardless of the car model (OG M2, M2C, M3, M4 doesn't matter).

Mate, you nailed it

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by cntzl

He's comparing N55 to S55, which I assume you are aware of the difference. Not only the stock vs stock power difference but also the difference in terms of tuning potential. So not really sure what's your point replying to his post with bunch of comments and excuses from Camaro thread. Yes, it's funny to see some of these comments because Camaro SS 1LE, Mustang GT350, or even the new Mustang 5.0 with Performance Pack perform better than any M car while they cost significantly less at least in the US (their track performance either head to head with M4 GTS or even better at some tracks).

However, since you brought up these excuses, I recommend you putting the same effort on OG M2 forum as well. Whenever there is a mention of the power difference between the OG M2 or M2C, you can easily see comments like "OG M2 has more than enough power already", "I don't track anyway, it's already perfect for street driving and no need for more power", "You can't even use all that power on the street" etc. On the other hand, when there is a track related discussion, these same OG M2 owners, while stating they don't track their cars in other threads, also don't hesitate to go into heated arguments about lap times and brag about how capable the OG M2 (of course only when it matches or beats the lap time of another car. If the results are not in favor of OG M2, of course they don't care because they don't track and all they care is how amazing it sounds and handles when they are commuting to work).

That being said, the point you are trying to make goes both ways. People who never been to a race track in their lives or people who are scared to turn off their traction control brag about lap times or argue how great their cars are on track. This is not news on this forum and as I said, you can see this in any subforum regardless of the car model (OG M2, M2C, M3, M4 doesn't matter).

So true

I’m new here but I have noticed it’s usually from the same handful of high activity OG and M2c owners. Im here up to share enthusiasm but found mostly division and putdowns. Lots is my d**k is bigger than yours kind is thing.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by D22M2

So true

I’m new here but I have noticed it’s usually from the same handful of high activity OG and M2c owners. Im here up to share enthusiasm but found mostly division and putdowns. Lots is my d**k is bigger than yours kind is thing.

Sometimes it seems like there is more opinion than fact in peoples post. The point of this thread was to get facts from members who use to own an M2 and now own an M2c.

I am not one of them. I still own an M2. Just trying to see the difference as a daily driver how much of an improvement the M2C is.

[Robin_NL]

OG M2 is a blast, irl normal traffic there is off course not much difference.

But the thrust when WOT is imho the biggest difference and OG M2 is no slouch at all either.

Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

Last march at the Nordschleife. What a car, yes that's me smiling





Cheers
Robin

[Romo]

Great pics Robin, the Mrs has fun to

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Last march at the Nordschleife. What a car, yes that's me smiling





Cheers
Robin

LBB is a pretty nice color as it changes with light. It looks blue in the first pic and teal in the next.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Last march at the Nordschleife. What a car, yes that's me smiling





Cheers
Robin

Couldn’t do that around here without a helmet.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by DanG

Couldn’t do that around here without a helmet.

On other trackdays(Assen /Zandvoort/Spa etc) overhere helmets are mandatory. @ Nordschleife on Touristenfahrten it's not.

During these public sessions, the track officially is a one-way public toll-road with no speed limit. Your car must be 100% road-legal (no racecars allowed), noise-limited of 95dB and insured. The circuit is seen as a public road, and the normal German road traffic law applies.

Cheers
Robin

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

On other trackdays(Assen /Zandvoort/Spa etc) overhere helmets are mandatory. @ Nordschleife on Touristenfahrten it's not.





Cheers
Robin

Nice. I wish the US had a track like that.

[gtr]

Just got my M2c.

Breaking in under 4000 rpm feels the same car with touchy brakes.

The biggest improvements are.
New improved idrive.
I can see the guages!
Front parking sensors!
Appreciate the fake sticking
Cool stripe seat belts.
Probably top end of engine whereas I recall the OG ran out of breath.

I love the f87. The real deal successor from the E46 imho.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Yea I wish I had front sensors on my OG

But im glad i have this car tho!

I was pulling out slowly out of my gym last night, it was dark and foggy, and as im creeping out i hear this loud farting noise for a second, i was wtf, look over it was this guy in a longer looking bmw, couldve been 5 series, i checked for the m4 fender gills, but they werent there

But it sounded pretty awful , im sure the guy did it to grab my attention but it didnt have the intended envy effect i think he was going for

[akkando]

Originally Posted by kpaso

Lol. The bumper is almost identical except the Competition has those random notches cut out of it. How does that make the OG bumper look dated? I honestly want to know. All other things being mostly the same (let's ignore the grill for the sake of this point), how do those notches make the Competition bumper look better?

it's just newer, as in newer model year. had the dates on the designs been reversed people would say the OG bumper makes the C look dated.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

Bumper actually looks totally different. The only thing you can call similar and but not identical is fangs are still present.

For a start the fangs are narrower and are slanted further horizontally and the bumper centre opening (mouth) is of a different shape and is wider. The bottom of the mouth also has three prominent slats which are not presented in the OG.

I promise you if I bought a lbb one and swapped the badge not a single person who sees my car would know I switched from a 2017 to a 2019. Lol totally different.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by akkando

it's just newer, as in newer model year. had the dates on the designs been reversed people would say the OG bumper makes the C look dated.

I dont really think the bumper can make it look dated

Robably the headlights and grill have most affect on 'dating' the car