[subliminalaudio]

Anyone with the same issues as my car ?

2017 I just dropped mine at the dealership for a full replacement

[akkando]

2017 and I have condensation on just the driver side rear where the white part of the light is.

[mssVT98]

Originally Posted by akkando

2017 and I have condensation on just the driver side rear where the white part of the light is.

Exactly the same on mine. Planning on bringing it up next time I'm in for service.

[TT1351]

From what I have read the first M2's were prone to this and the original part number was superseded to an upgraded version that was supposedly meant to eliminate such issues, I guess it's back to the drawing board for BMW. I upgraded mine to Euro taillights, hoping I don't see water on the wrong side of the lens.

[mssVT98]

Originally Posted by TT1351

From what I have read the first M2's were prone to this and the original part number was superseded to an upgraded version that was supposedly meant to eliminate such issues, I guess it's back to the drawing board for BMW. I upgraded mine to Euro taillights, hoping I don't see water on the wrong side of the lens.

If I have to replace mine anyway I'd consider seeing if I could do this. Is the only difference the amber turn signals? Referring to pre-LCI.

[TT1351]

Originally Posted by mssVT98

If I have to replace mine anyway I'd consider seeing if I could do this. Is the only difference the amber turn signals? Referring to pre-LCI.

That is correct.

[subliminalaudio]

Originally Posted by TT1351

That is correct.

Pictures please !

[TT1351]

Will take photos when I get home, in hibernation for the winter.

[TT1351]

Here you go, the best I could do.

[subliminalaudio]

Originally Posted by TT1351

Here you go, the best I could do.

Thanks a lot

[DSTR]

My lights are recently replaced. My dealer hosted some engineers from the company who produce the lights. My mechanic tells me it is a large issue across the 2 series platforms.

[AndrewC1989]

I upgraded to LCI tail lights and haven't had any issues with moisture

[subliminalaudio]

Originally Posted by andrewc89

I upgraded to LCI tail lights and haven't had any issues with moisture

How much for the replacements?

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by subliminalaudio

How much for the replacements?

About $500 shipped from Europe. I wanted the yellow indicators lol.

I used Schmiedmann, they're great.

The retrofit isn't difficult. They're almost plug and play, no permanent modifications need to be made,.

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1405431

[subliminalaudio]

I just picked up my car and the dealer replaced both and the passenger side new unit it's still showing humidity ... they even showed me the ones they replaced.
Manager mentioned that they will reorder that unit and he hopes the new one it's better sealed .

[mssVT98]

What are the chances the dealer would replace faulty pre-LCI tails with LCIs if I requested it? It could be framed up as the LCIs are known to be sealed properly, vs. potentially another bad pre-LCI unit. I've never asked the dealer to do something other than a straight replacement for a warranty item.

Potential hang-ups that I can see would be that the LED lights might be more expensive, plus they'd have to code it after install.

[subliminalaudio]

Originally Posted by mssVT98

What are the chances the dealer would replace faulty pre-LCI tails with LCIs if I requested it? It could be framed up as the LCIs are known to be sealed properly, vs. potentially another bad pre-LCI unit. I've never asked the dealer to do something other than a straight replacement for a warranty item.

Potential hang-ups that I can see would be that the LED lights might be more expensive, plus they'd have to code it after install.

I know that would be really good ... besides having the new design also helping with the issue

[akkando]

Originally Posted by mssVT98

What are the chances the dealer would replace faulty pre-LCI tails with LCIs if I requested it? It could be framed up as the LCIs are known to be sealed properly, vs. potentially another bad pre-LCI unit. I've never asked the dealer to do something other than a straight replacement for a warranty item.

Potential hang-ups that I can see would be that the LED lights might be more expensive, plus they'd have to code it after install.

I dunno, maybe you pay for the lights, they do the labor for free, if they are feeling generous? I think to get them to bite on this it's going to have to be like on the 4th warranty repair of the pre LCI light before they don't want to deal with so much they are willing to swap for another OEM part. I really have no idea though.... but I had the same thought..... could I get BMW to pay for it, or part of it.... I actually like the Pre LCI tail lights though, but not if they keep getting water in them!

[TT1351]

Originally Posted by mssVT98

What are the chances the dealer would replace faulty pre-LCI tails with LCIs if I requested it? It could be framed up as the LCIs are known to be sealed properly, vs. potentially another bad pre-LCI unit. I've never asked the dealer to do something other than a straight replacement for a warranty item.

Potential hang-ups that I can see would be that the LED lights might be more expensive, plus they'd have to code it after install.

I would say there are two chances, slim and no chance. Just my humble opinion.

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by TT1351

I would say there are two chances, slim and none

and slim just left the building

[mssVT98]

Originally Posted by andrewc89

and slim just left the building

This is kind of what I figure too, and I certainly wouldn't expect any type of positive response to asking, but it makes me curious. Even if we assume that the LCIs cost the same as the pre-LCIs, so the only difference in cost to do the swap would be the extra labor for coding, it still feels unlikely. I admittedly don't know much about the warranty process and what BMW has to approve vs. the dealer, but this seems like the kind of thing that would count as a "great customer service" type of flexibility. Especially if I covered any extra cost.

I'm sure there are restrictions on what they can/choose to do when it comes to non-standard replacements under warranty, I just wonder where they actually come from. The percentage of customers who are like us and would even think to ask something like this must be vanishingly small, so it's not like they're setting precedent. But then again, I tend to think about things very logically, and logic probably doesn't apply to dealer service departments.

[mssVT98]

Originally Posted by akkando

... I actually like the Pre LCI tail lights though, but not if they keep getting water in them!

Same - I'm torn on whether I'd actually want to make the switch anyway. I'd love to have the LEDs, but I like the design of the pre-LCI better. The amber turn signals would probably be a bigger deal to me, but I could always get Euro pre-LCIs... Are those having condensation issues too?

Maybe the answer is the Euro pre-LCIs with replacement LED bulbs and coding.

I'm definitely overthinking this.