Hydraulic vs. Electric Steering

bobert · 08-14-2017, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisK

You guys are killing me

I'm more worried about losing my BMW gasoline engine then the hydraulic steering

First, the stick shift will go, then the gas engine, then the steering wheel.

ChrisK · 08-14-2017, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bobert

First, the stick shift will go, then the gas engine, then the steering wheel.

Naaaa...Amazon will always sell a stick on steering wheel for us that need it

bobert · 08-14-2017, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisK

Naaaa...Amazon will always sell a stick on steering wheel for us that need it

But it won't actually do anything - we'll just have to pretend.

ChrisK · 08-14-2017, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bobert

But it won't actually do anything - we'll just have to pretend.

exactly

Lagemba · 10-01-2018, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

Yeah, I drive a modified 135, which has a pretty decent steering setup, but I was shocked when I heard someone say they thought it it required too much effort and strength to steer, especially in a parking lot. Really? And this was a grown man, not some 16 year-old girl.

If a sporty hydraulic steering rack requires too much muscle for you to operate, you might need to turn in your man card.

I must admit after driving with electric steering for two years, going back to hydraulic felt quite tough and weirdly hard to turn. After a month or so I got used to it and appreciated the force feedback a lot more.

Mavus · 10-01-2018, 11:31 AM

The fact that BMW does not offer a better feel on M models is hard to understand. They can have regular and sport steering. All other non-M models are fine if they have rubber band steering but customers that like to feel the car should have an option to check that box. I was hoping the M2C would be it but it appears not.

JRF · 10-01-2018, 11:38 AM

the feel of the hyraulic steering in my 2018 STI is sorely missed. it's pretty much the only thing I liked in the STI more than the M2. And I liked it ALOT more.

There is no way EPS can duplicate the feel of real steering. Steering the M2 feels like a video game to me. It's tight, it's precise, it's sufficiently heavy....but it ain't real.

mr_lab_rat · 10-01-2018, 02:07 PM

I guess I don't drive the car on the limit often enough. I don't see much difference between the non-M e46 hydraulic and F87 electrical. I think the weight and feedback are just fine.

pruettfan · 10-01-2018, 04:40 PM

I think it doesn't matter what any of us think. Just drive

10" · 10-02-2018, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by M2Nebula

I was driving our 2013 X1 today and it felt good to be steering the old fashioned way. As much as I like the M2, the steering just doesn't feel as connected, even though it is precise and of course adjustable depending on driving mode. I have heard that no EPS system currently available can match the feel of a hydraulic system. Is this true and if so will there be some point where it does match the feel, or are those days gone?

The old X1 has wonderful steering if I'm not mistaken the same steering rack as the old non-M 1-series. When I drove the M2 and got back into the 1M (which has the E9X competition steering rack as stock)—-the 1M felt like a revelation!! NO electronic steering rack can match hydraulic. Doesn't matter what the programming is they just lack the feel. Electronic steering simply lacks the connection, literally...

CSBM5 · 10-02-2018, 07:04 AM

Just saw this thread....

I spent the afternoon Saturday on the 1/2 mile wet skidpad at Michelin specifically to evaluate the EPS in the M2C. Here's the link if interested.

As for highway driving, the M2C is fantastic. Nailed down, straight as an arrow, no wandering, and it has nice feel with slight movement off center. BMW has done a great job at reprogramming EPS on this car imo, and I'm the last person I thought would/could ever say that.

widetyres · 10-03-2018, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CSBM5

Just saw this thread....

I spent the afternoon Saturday on the 1/2 mile wet skidpad at Michelin specifically to evaluate the EPS in the M2C. Here's the link if interested.

As for highway driving, the M2C is fantastic. Nailed down, straight as an arrow, no wandering, and it has nice feel with slight movement off center. BMW has done a great job at reprogramming EPS on this car imo, and I'm the last person I thought would/could ever say that.

Every M2 can have the M2C steering. Just get the latest istep updates and then code the f87cs steering option.

I've done it and it's fantastic!

Tag · 10-03-2018, 12:52 PM

BMW Master Plan

Step 1: Replace hydraulic steering with EPS in every model.
Step 2: Wait out the complaints and make some minor tweaks to appease the loudest critics.
Step 3: Wait it out until everyone becomes fully acclimated to EPS.
Step 4: The fix is in; ordinary BMW owners now bitch how "heavy" hydraulic steering feels when they drive an older car.
Step 5: BMW enthusiasts are forced to

widetyres · 10-03-2018, 02:52 PM

I've had a couple of PMs about the steering update, so sharing my comparison and steps to achieve Competition steering on an M2 here:

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8#post23801838

AndrewC1989 · 10-03-2018, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by widetyres

I've had a couple of PMs about the steering update, so sharing my comparison and steps to achieve Competition steering on an M2 here:

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8#post23801838

I use the M4GTS EPS and MDM. Love both.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1504747

GoneIn4Secs · 10-03-2018, 05:35 PM

How can you get the m2c coding for the steering for og m2? This sounds like good upgrade

widetyres · 10-04-2018, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

How can you get the m2c coding for the steering for og m2? This sounds like good upgrade

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8#post23801838

Yes , great upgrade. We'll worth doing.

chris719 · 10-04-2018, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ClothSeats

BMW consciously removes the steering feel due to complaints from their customers. Even the E90 was moving in this direction. If you drive an E36 M3 or M coupe you will be amazed.

Yes, actually the E92 steering feels very artificial in comparison to the Z4M steering rack.

LuvMyE92 · 10-05-2018, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

I am 100% certain that the non-voluntary addition of Active Sound in BMW cars (really shameful the BMW doesn't allow you the option to turn it off

a) I thought the F87 didn't have ASD
b) you can code it out

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Originally Posted by chris719

Yes, actually the E92 steering feels very artificial in comparison to the Z4M steering rack.

But it's still better than the EPS. I am occasionally allowed to drive my wife's E90, and the steering on that is just lovely.

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Mavus Colonel 2028 Rep 2,672 Posts Drives: E90 335i, F80 zcp Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: PA iTrader: (9)	The fact that BMW does not offer a better feel on M models is hard to understand. They can have regular and sport steering. All other non-M models are fine if they have rubber band steering but customers that like to feel the car should have an option to check that box. I was hoping the M2C would be it but it appears not.
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