[rusky]

Originally Posted by Gatte

It will in all probability not take over the base M2 like how the M4 CS did not replace the base or CP M4.

Hopefully we get some official wording from BMW on this before I get my production date (pre model lock at the latest)!

[Eau_Rouge111]

And if this does happen...the CS will be driven like it should and the GTS will be put away never to be driven by the vast majority of owners....sitting collecting dust in collections and garages sad.

I hope manufacturers step away from this limited production crap. The 1 of 106 McLaren F1 is limited to 106 cars because they could only sell that many which is the way it should be. In no way am I comparing the McLaren F1 to a possible M2 GTS...but would be nice to see more "limited" production cars limited due to natural sales vs being capped...this way owners will drive them...

My rant for the day!!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Eau_Rouge111

The 1 of 106 McLaren F1 is limited to 106 cars because they could only sell that many which is the way it should be.

M2 CS (March 2018): no production cap - approx. 410 hp
M2 GTS (March 2019): 999 cars - approx. 450 hp

Well, so the story went a few months ago. Maybe the story has changed in the meantime.

[chmura]

I have a deposit down on a CS with agreed MSRP in writing.

If the CS does not come in manual transmission I will just get the standard M2.

Really hoping for the M2 CS to have a optional manual transmission.

[m20e3087]

I am the first one on the list for M2CS, and they will sell at MSRP. As long as its manual I will go it, otherwise will backout.

[dammitcubs]

I'm curious what the pricing is looking like for the CS and GTS. I just put in alot of money in the M2, maybe it's not worth it for me to change.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by m20e3087

I am the first one on the list for M2CS, and they will sell at MSRP. As long as its manual I will go it, otherwise will backout.

Same here, no manual? No CS for me
I'm struggling holding off until January-March to see what comes about.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Eau_Rouge111

And if this does happen...the CS will be driven like it should and the GTS will be put away never to be driven by the vast majority of owners....sitting collecting dust in collections and garages sad.

I hope manufacturers step away from this limited production crap. The 1 of 106 McLaren F1 is limited to 106 cars because they could only sell that many which is the way it should be. In no way am I comparing the McLaren F1 to a possible M2 GTS...but would be nice to see more "limited" production cars limited due to natural sales vs being capped...this way owners will drive them...

My rant for the day!!

I've seen plenty of M4 GTS being tracked , not only on forums but in person as well, and I know a fellow who used his in a BMW CCA CLUB RACING School as well.

If BMW makes an M2 GTS with a manual, I can GAR-ON- TEE I know at least one that will see a lot of track time.

Here Endeth My rebuttal to your rant.

[Artemis]

Added to the first post of this thread:

M2 CS UPDATE (AUGUST 2017): forum fellow ynguldyn kindly shared in a few comments in a dedicated M2 CS thread some of his collected M2 CS info, which we could summarize and detail as follows:

• Body colors (source: source):
  • base M2 body colors: Alpine White, Black Sapphire Metallic, Mineral Gray Metallic and Long Beach Blue Metallic
  • M2 CS body colors: Alpine White, Black Sapphire Metallic, Long Beach Blue Metallic, Sunset Orange (added color) and Hockenheim Silver (added all-new BMW color) (thus no Mineral Grey Metallic available for the M2 CS)

• Interior (source 1 and source 2):
  • base M2 interior: black Dakota leather (LCNL) with Polar Blue stitching only - regular leather only
  • base M2 CS: black Dakota leather (LCNL) with choice between Polar Blue stitching and Orange stitching (Kyalami Orange like the 1M ?) - choice between regular leather and perforated leather

• Gearbox (source 1 and source 2):
  • base M2: choice between M-DCT and manual gearbox
  • M2 CS: despite initial unfortunate signs of M-DCT only (see here), not all hope has flown yet for the availability of a manual gearbox M2 CS (for the record: last Winter an M2 test mule with carbon fiber strut brace à la M3/M4 and manual gearbox has been spotted at BMW M HQ: see here)

• "M2 Competition" and "M2 CS" (versus "Competition Package") (source):
  • "M2 Competition" and "M2 CS" are two different names for the same car; BMW used both names in the past; also "F87CS" = M2 CS
  • to be distinguished from "Competition Package" (ZCP): normally merely indicated as an option (hence "package") in the BMW system ("Comp pack doesn't get its own 'Typschlüssel' and a line in that file. 'Typschlüssel' is assigned based only on vehicle model, LCI status, engine model and revision, transmission model and revision, and drive type. Comp pack, on the other hand, is simply a couple of lines in the options list."); by the way, no trace of any M2 ZCP in the works, if any, as we speak

[Lotus99]

Originally Posted by Artemis

• "M2 Competition" and "M2 CS" are two different names for the same car; BMW used both names in the past; also "F87CS" = M2 CS
• to be distinguished from "Competition Package" (ZCP): normally merely indicated as an option (hence "package") in the BMW system ("Comp pack doesn't get its own 'Typschlüssel' and a line in that file. 'Typschlüssel' is assigned based only on vehicle model, LCI status, engine model and revision, transmission model and revision, and drive type. Comp pack, on the other hand, is simply a couple of lines in the options list."); by the way, no trace of any M2 ZCP in the works, if any, as we speak

[/LIST]

Seems contradicted by this article from R&T?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ition-package/

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Lotus99

Seems contradicted by this article from R&T?
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...ition-package/

R&T bases its claim on a C&D article that based its claim on a "recently leaked list" published on a Supra forum. Quite surprisingly BMWBlog now also took over that "Competition Package" rumor (see here: http://www.bmwblog.com/2017/08/17/re...ge-heading-us/).

That list to which reference is made is old news over here. It was published in full and debated at Bimmerpost almost six months ago: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1358847. Identical, except for the watermark.

Except if BMW fooled us all, the "M2 Competition" mention in that referenced list = M2 CS.

The only thing I noticed worth mentioning though: recently an M2 test mule was lapping the Nürburgring again with an N55 sounding engine while most other M2 test mules had a distinctive S55 sounding engine (see here: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...3#post16905583). It puzzled me why. Maybe it's for comparison purposes ?

[Yiruna]

So... Who's gonna trade in their M2? I'm about to pick up a 2018 LCI and most likely gonna trade it in at this point.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by Yiruna

So... Who's gonna trade in their M2? I'm about to pick up a 2018 LCI and most likely gonna trade it in at this point.

I have a 1st available slot for 4th qtr build. I turned down a 3rd quarter slot to await CS news. I hope we know what they are doing by @ January.

[Yiruna]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

I have a 1st available slot for 4th qtr build. I turned down a 3rd quarter slot to await CS news. I hope we know what they are doing by @ January.

Like I've been holding off on buying the M2 because of the CS news, and what's worse is that there won't be any damn MG... I mean silver won't be bad, it just really bums me out. So now it just boils down to two questions, do I wait for the M2CS? Or do I buy my M2 and trade in Down the line for the CS because at this point I'm blue balling myself to death

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Yiruna

Like I've been holding off on buying the M2 because of the CS news, and what's worse is that there won't be any damn MG... I mean silver won't be bad, it just really bums me out. So now it just boils down to two questions, do I wait for the M2CS? Or do I buy my M2 and trade in Down the line for the CS because at this point I'm blue balling myself to death

Get the M2 CS and wrap it in whatever wrap color you like.

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

F87LUV - you will enjoy all the time you spend in a P-car, should you get one...it's something everyone should try, if it's not a crazy financial burden.

Is owning a P car (like a GT4 or so), so much more expensive in terms of maintenance and parts?

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by Eau_Rouge111

And if this does happen...the CS will be driven like it should and the GTS will be put away never to be driven by the vast majority of owners....sitting collecting dust in collections and garages sad.

I hope manufacturers step away from this limited production crap. The 1 of 106 McLaren F1 is limited to 106 cars because they could only sell that many which is the way it should be. In no way am I comparing the McLaren F1 to a possible M2 GTS...but would be nice to see more "limited" production cars limited due to natural sales vs being capped...this way owners will drive them...

My rant for the day!!

CS or GTS...if I got the money and can buy one...it will be driven hard and on track...otherwise I have zero reason of buying it! But I'm no collector or investor...I invest my money in other things then cars..cars need to give me fun..not money

[Franzino]

Originally Posted by RBNetEngr

This post is very relevant. One of the repeated praises for the M2 is, as shipped from BMW, it has the right combination of suspension and power to make it a well-balanced car. If you've increased the power by 40-50hp, did you make any changes to the suspension to compensate? If not, why blame BMW?

And besides, the track is really the only place that you can reliably and safely use everything that the M2 comes with from BMW. I'm still at a loss to understand how many people line up power, brake, suspension mods, etc., as soon as they buy something like an M2. It's a car that comes from BMW way more capable than virtually any purchaser is (regardless of what you really believe about your driving capabilities). So, rather than spend thousands on a tune to gain some moderate HP, why not spend it on track time, so you can learn to drive it closer to the cars' capabilities?

-rb

Correct; the track is the only place you can safely (and fully) drive the M2 with no limits... The standard M2 is a very capable car, but still in essence a street car which you can occasionally track if you want. My only modifications on my M2 are the brakes (=> pads, steel lining, brake oil). This is a must have for track! Learning to drive better or learning the track will gain you more then most modification... I gained 20sec after 2x visits to the Nurburgring because in time I got to know my M2 better

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Franzino

Is owning a P car (like a GT4 or so), so much more expensive in terms of maintenance and parts?

YES..

A fellow 1M owner switched to a Cayman. He loved it for a few years and recently commented to me that the Cayman was a better track car , but not a better daily and also more expensive than the 1M maintenance wise.

I think dmboone25 has experience with Cayman and an M car as well.

[Yiruna]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Get the M2 CS and wrap it in whatever wrap color you like.

But what about the wait?! I'm so tired of waiting T_T

[Artemis]

Spotted this interesting VIN info excerpt, of which the VIN # and production date info were not disclosed (source: see a comment under this article - about the article itself: see however this post):

Type: 2U73
Model: M2 Competition - USA
Development Code: F87 (MUE)
Chassis: COUPE
Steering: LL
Doors: 2
Engine: S55
Displacement: 3.00
Power: 302
Drivetrain: HECK
Transmission: MECH
Color: Hockenheim Silber Metallic - C33
Upholstery: Led.dak.des.perf.schwarz/blau - MDB2
Production Plant: LEIPZIG
Production Date: 0001-01-01

So what do we got here: M2 CS ("M2 Competition") - USA model - S55 engine - 3.0 litre - 302 kW - Hockenheim Silver exterior (BMW paint code C33) - perforated black Dakota leather with blue stitching

302 kW = 410.6 hp (metric) = 405 hp (mechanic) (this corresponds with the power figure in the first post of this thread). Thus a 40 hp (metric) power bump compared to the base M2, albeit with a different engine (S55 instead of N55).

If legit (I think it is), this may possibly limit most further speculation about the engine type and (minimum) power output of the forthcoming M2 CS. However, we do not know whether this VIN info regards an early or recent M2 CS test mule. Nevertheless, it gives us a yardstick.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Spotted this interesting VIN info excerpt, of which the VIN # and production date info were not disclosed (source: see a comment under this article - about the article itself: see however this post):

Type: 2U73
Model: M2 Competition - USA
Development Code: F87 (MUE)
Chassis: COUPE
Steering: LL
Doors: 2
Engine: S55
Displacement: 3.00
Power: 302
Drivetrain: HECK
Transmission: MECH
Color: Hockenheim Silber Metallic - C33
Upholstery: Led.dak.des.perf.schwarz/blau - MDB2
Production Plant: LEIPZIG
Production Date: 0001-01-01

So what do we got here: M2 CS ("M2 Competition") - USA model - S55 engine - 3.0 litre - 302 kW - Hockenheim Silver exterior (BMW paint code C33) - perforated black Dakota leather with blue stitching

302 kW = 410.6 hp (metric) = 405 hp (mechanic) (this corresponds with the power figure in the first post of this thread). Thus a 40 hp (metric) power bump compared to the base M2, albeit with a different engine (S55 instead of N55).

If legit (I think it is), this may possibly limit most further speculation about the engine type and (minimum) power output of the forthcoming M2 CS. However, we do not know whether this VIN info regards an early or recent M2 CS test mule. Nevertheless, it gives us a yardstick.

Mechanical gearbox....