[conradb]

Ahahaha BMW is screwing us again on the HP nonsense. "Overboost." What a joke. They do that so the 0-60 times can't compete with the M3/M4, but they graciously give you that little edge higher up in the revs in higher gears so you get decent performance on the track.

I'm done with BMW's "performance cars." I'm literally going to buy a new track car tomorrow. I'm buying a C5 Z06 Corvette and going to mod the hell out of it. At least Americans don't play this joke of a game with "overboost" with us.

[Ray knight]

long beach blue is amazing! saw an X5M this color in person and its one of the best colors i've seen on an M vehicle.

[conradb]

Originally Posted by AcidMal

This exactly. That n55 overboost better come in to play at the top end for this to be a true M car in terms of driving dynamics.
Otherwise everybody pipe down, if you've ever driven an N55 you know that a tune can make it super quick. This will most likely edge out an E92 M3 in all around performance. I don't think theres any room to complain guys. If anything look at Porsches' GT4 as a counter example.

I hope you're joking trying to compare the GT4 to the M2. Different leagues. The GT4 will run circles around the M2 on the track all day long, and not pussyfoot around with magic "overboost."

If you're comparing how Porsche sets up the GT4 performance level to not step on the GT3, at least they don't put some ridiculous artificial restrictions on engine output at certain levels for marketing purposes.

[undecided]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

not sure why you ever expected that....really. this car is following the 1M formula...and has been from the beginning. The M235i weighs over 3500 pounds. If you want a 3000 pound M2----I hope you have $125k as that is how much a car that would lose 14% of it's weight would cost after engineering.

and it doesn't cost $125K. Come on.

[Diver]

Two questions, how much does it weigh, and what does it cost? Either one could knock it out of the running.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Wouldn't a limited selection of colors actually mean lower production numbers for the M2.If a manufacturer is planning on producing a new model,I would assume they would give more color options,if they are going to produce more cars.

That is exactly what BMW did with the 1M.The car was only available in three colors and it had one production year.

I'm saying that maybe they're not going to limit production by limiting it directly with a set number, but rather prevent the demand for large production numbers and thus also prevent M3 and 4 sales from taking a hit by limiting options like this. But yeah I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong.

[Racer20]

I love how everyone here is up in arms because the car has 365hp instead of 375 or 380hp. Imagine driving whatever car you currently have on a 50 degree day vs a 90 degree day. There's your 10-15hp. Is it really worth 11 pages of complaining?

This car has exactly what all the rumors have predicted, and it lines up exactly with what the 1M was. At this point, BMW's line up is pretty predictable, nobody should have expected anything different that what Dackleone has said.

[Hazey82]

If this is true I'm pretty disappointed. If they aren't going to make it standout from the m235i with its performance/engine, CF roof etc then they need to make up with it in significant less weight, interior (quality seats/leather similar to M3/M4) and the price! otherwise BMW can stick it.

Originally Posted by eau_rouge

No Donington Grey, no Sakhir Orange

Was looking forward to a Donington Grey M2 with SO inside.

+1

[silverfox]

You lost me on the over boost. Not paying premium for non M over boost N55. That's just me

[Racer20]

Originally Posted by undecided

and it doesn't cost $125K. Come on.

Dropping 500lbs out of a production car that's already as well engineered as a 2 or 3 series would cost a fortune.150-200lbs is doable, but to get that other 300lbs without major compromise (no A/C, race seats, lexan windows, etc.) you're looking at some seriously expensive materials and development programs.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Desert_Fox

What a joke. It seems that BMW wanted this car to flop, to entice people to just spend the extra $15k-$20k and get the M3/4. Atleast I won't have to fight for a slot now, since none of these colors are too salivating.

Just poking a little fun at you, so don't kill me. BMW offered all the colors you could ever want on the E9x and the E39 and you picked... drumroll... white and grey.

What's different with the M2?

Originally Posted by undecided

and it doesn't cost $125K. Come on.

You would be shocked. The E46 M3 CSL dropped 200 lbs compared to the regular car and cost how much? And it was hardly something you could DD all the time.

And you expect them to drop 500 lbs how exactly? Some of you guys ask for the world but wouldn't even know how to do it? Oh just throw CF everywhere

[Cope]

Originally Posted by Racer20

I love how everyone here is up in arms because the car has 365hp instead of 375 or 380hp. Imagine driving whatever car you currently have on a 50 degree day vs a 90 degree day. There's your 10-15hp. Is it really worth 11 pages of complaining?

This car has exactly what all the rumors have predicted, and it lines up exactly with what the 1M was. At this point, BMW's line up is pretty predictable, nobody should have expected anything different that what Dackleone has said.

+1

[SW19]

Originally Posted by W///

Just poking a little fun at you, so don't kill me. BMW offered all the colors you could ever want on the E9x and the E39 and you picked... drumroll... white and grey.

What's different with the M2?



You would be shocked. The E46 M3 CSL dropped 200 lbs compared to the regular car and cost how much? And it was hardly something you could DD all the time.

And you expect them to drop 500 lbs how exactly? Some of you guys ask for the world but wouldn't even know how to do it? Oh just throw CF everywhere

At least give us the CF Roof.I know you really don't care if the M2 has a carbon fiber roof but don't you agree that it really won't effect M3 and M4 sales if the M2 does come with it.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

At least give us the CF Roof.I know you really don't care if the M2 has a carbon fiber roof but don't you agree that it really won't effect M3 and M4 sales if the M2 does come with it.

Actually, if there's one thing I miss the most, it's the CF roof. If anything, it's just for visual effect, especially with LBB. That would pop.

I hate that the M2 won't have it, but that alone is not enough for me to skip the car

[andnkuhn]

Sakhir Orange or Alpine White.

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by Racer20

This car has exactly what all the rumors have predicted, and it lines up exactly with what the 1M was. At this point, BMW's line up is pretty predictable, nobody should have expected anything different that what Dackleone has said.

I partially disagree with you. I don't see how expecting more than four color choices is unreasonable or unrealistic. This isn't a limited production model.

However I do agree that the power figures were predictable. Apparently the motor is just a run of the mill N55 with no hardware enhancements save for a revised DME.

The overboost function exists because making the additional power continuously would heat soak the FMIC, take the turbo uncomfortably close to the edge of its efficiency curve, etc., etc.

All these components had much headroom at the powerplant's original 300/300 output and now we see where BMW feels comfortable pushing it to.

I was hoping that they would at least upgrade the FMIC but it looks like we are getting a completely stock N55

[buumer]

Originally Posted by W///

To all you M235i owners. Love your car, I truly do. If BMW didn't do an M2, there's a good chance that that would have been my car BUT:

For the love of god, please stop comparing your car to the M2. If it's good enough for you, that's great that you saved money and are satisfied. But your car is NOT an M2.

135i: 300 hp, 300 ft-lbs
1M: 340 hp, 332 ft-lbs, 77 lbs lighter than a regular 1 series

Those specs look like nothing, but I dare anyone to tell me that the 135i is anywhere on the same planet as a 1M.

The same exact story with the M2, watch.

135is - 320hp/317trq 3335lb
1M - 335hp/332trq(w/o overboost) 3340lb

The m2 is going to be a great and well balanced car, but the 235i is the new leader for the msport range. The gap wont be mind blowing, that's for sure. Marginal improvements here and there, but you can only do so much with an extra 7-9k over the m235i. This is not a CSL. (And I was all set to trade my m235i for the m2)

I know the 1m has a cult following around here, but how much better than the 135is was it really? I fear that nostalgia is hard at play here.

[Ramos]

I am so disappointed by this news. HP should have been much closer to 400, over boost is a joke and the color palette is hideous. A lightly optioned M3 LCI is looking so much better now

[s3baman]

Originally Posted by ilikebmxbikes

I agree, the competitors are not really competitors. Judging by the response in this thread alone, it seems the m2's competition is the f8x.

For the number crunchers-
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-new...wer-arms-race/

Preuninger is a very smart man. He knows exactly what he's talking about. Not only that, but he has the full support and confidence of Porsche to do the projects he wants. This is something that BMW is somewhat lacking at the moment, to many models being created just to fill a micro gap in the market

[hpapad01]

Originally Posted by W///

Actually, if there's one thing I miss the most, it's the CF roof. If anything, it's just for visual effect, especially with LBB. That would pop.

I hate that the M2 won't have it, but that alone is not enough for me to skip the car

Why do you all think it won't have CF roof as an option? Nearly every rendering I've seen has CF roof, although it is just a rendering... perhaps BMW may surprise us during the announcement along with all the other specs.

[Karmic Man]

Hmm...no incentive for me to get one in this spec.

I never like the 1M's over boost because it adds one more layer of unpredictability onto the engine's output.

Guess a 400hp CSL model will be inevitable.

[david.orr]

Originally Posted by W///

To all you M235i owners. Love your car, I truly do. If BMW didn't do an M2, there's a good chance that that would have been my car BUT:

For the love of god, please stop comparing your car to the M2. If it's good enough for you, that's great that you saved money and are satisfied. But your car is NOT an M2.

135i: 300 hp, 300 ft-lbs
1M: 340 hp, 332 ft-lbs, 77 lbs lighter than a regular 1 series

Those specs look like nothing, but I dare anyone to tell me that the 135i is anywhere on the same planet as a 1M.

The same exact story with the M2, watch.

I agree. As good, fun and balanced as a BMW it is, my M235i is nowhere close to the 1M. 1M is special and I expect M2 to be the same, hopefully as raw and exciting.

M2 must come in manual please.