[ryem3]

Cars.com
2016 and 2017 m2s listed? 61 used cars in the country
3 listed under $50k
Happy hunting

2016 and 2017 m4s listed? 261

Sure, easy to bargain on m2s.

[mtoosexy]

Originally Posted by champignon

My dealer does not have a MT M3 or M4 on the lot; in fact, I don't think I have seen either model on the lot in MT in the 2.5 years when I've had my "collection" of BMWs which results in my visiting my dealer regularly. Virtually every time I go to the dealer, I walk outside and look at all the cars they have for sale, new and used, as well as what is on the showroom floor. Your experience may differ.

I must live in a "LUCKY" area, or my dealership likes to have manuals on hand. I visited a few weeks back, they 2 M3's 2017 and a 2018 in stock in manual. The 2018 was spec'd out exactly how I would spec it. 82k unfortunately. They also had 2 M2's on the floor for sale. I visited another dealership 12 miles further away and they also had a M2 on the sales floor. I have an allocation for a 2nd quarter 2018 build as I do not drive on salt. Have NO idea if I am going to wait another 6months to a year for the next model

[Wharf Rat]

Originally Posted by mtoosexy

I must live in a "LUCKY" area, or my dealership likes to have manuals on hand. I visited a few weeks back, they 2 M3's 2017 and a 2018 in stock in manual. The 2018 was spec'd out exactly how I would spec it. 82k unfortunately. They also had 2 M2's on the floor for sale. I visited another dealership 12 miles further away and they also had a M2 on the sales floor. I have an allocation for a 2nd quarter 2018 build as I do not drive on salt. Have NO idea if I am going to wait another 6months to a year for the next model

What? $82k for an M2? There aren't enough options to get that high. No wonder this dealer has M2s in inventory.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

What? $82k for an M2? There aren't enough options to get that high. No wonder this dealer has M2s in inventory.

For an m3

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by champignon

I have bought a few cars that were "hard to find" over the years. Generally, they are not spread out evenly across geographical areas, and some areas will be awash with them and in others the cars are hard to find and are marked up above MSRP.

I am sure that there are cars that don't fit the general pattern, like some of the hideously expensive Porsche GT Turbos, where production is so limited that a "fair deal" is impossible unless your brother happens to own a dealership. The M2 doesn't fit into that category.

In every instance with popular cars not evenly distributed across the country, I knew of (personally or through car forums) many people who either had cars shipped to them or that hopped a plane or other transportation to get a hugely better deal than they could get locally. When I was buying turbo'd Subarus, there was a dealer in Colorado (Colo Springs, I think) that appeared to sell the majority of their cars to out of state buyers. They also sold parts at a steep discount, online. One of their salesmen was a regular on the STi forum, and they had basically a "welcome program" for people flying in to pick up cars. You won't find this with the M2, but you will find some dealer within a few hundred miles of you who would bend over backwards to get your business.

It's all a matter of motivation on the part of the buyer and the seller, and where they meet is where the deal is made.

True story.

[doug_999]

Pulled into Lowe's next to my exact car - 2nd time I've seen one in the wild.
Of course the young lad is not of sound mind and still driving on his summer tires...

[Potatohead-M2]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Pulled into Lowe's next to my exact car - 2nd time I've seen one in the wild.
Of course the young lad is not of sound mind and still driving on his summer tires...

So many people like this. Then he'll crash and blame BMW for not equipping the car with all-seasons.

[SteveSpy]

Originally Posted by JPizzz

KBB still lists used 16/17 with typical miles in the 50’s. I wonder how accurate that is at this point.

I’m struggling with pulling the trigger on an 18’ that I was offered $2k off msrp (no USAA), $1500 extra on my trade, and 1.9% financing. Great deal if it wasn’t for these CS rumors that has me wondering if I should wait. A nice perk for this car was the slower depreciation, which moved me away from some other models. Now who knows how it will hold up....

My friend is a private dealer. Auction data shows them at an average price of 47k wholesale. Still a mere 7% drop in price. It's tiny...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SteveSpy

My friend is a private dealer. Auction data shows them at an average price of 47k wholesale. Still a mere 7% drop in price. It's tiny...

Tiny is the right word. #because low production.

It's not like there are 30,000 M2 that have been made. For the US it's about 1250 a year.


What's the annual sales volume of Porsche boxsters in this country ?


http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...rsche-boxster/

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...orsche-cayman/

For every M2 sold there are about 2 boxsters and 3 caymans going out the door. When the cars compare favorably to each other and one is rarer by a percentage of 5 to 1... there is some cachet.

[OSee]

Originally Posted by SteveSpy

My friend is a private dealer. Auction data shows them at an average price of 47k wholesale. Still a mere 7% drop in price. It's tiny...

2017s are doing 50k average on Manheim. The lowest sold so far was a 6MT with 8k on it for $47,5k in Orlando.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by Potatohead-M2

So many people like this. Then he'll crash and blame BMW for not equipping the car with all-seasons.

All season do not work well for winter conditions either. More than enough research has shown that.

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by DSTR

All season do not work well for winter conditions either. More than enough research has shown that.

Exactly, they are a compromise at best, and like most things that try to accomplish multiple tasks, something has to give and they fail or perform mediocre elsewhere. Dedicated something is better than all around nothing.

[SteveSpy]

Originally Posted by OCfromOC

2017s are doing 50k average on Manheim. The lowest sold so far was a 6MT with 8k on it for $47,5k in Orlando.

That's insane... when will they start dropping?

[doug_999]

Originally Posted by M2Nebula

Exactly, they are a compromise at best, and like most things that try to accomplish multiple tasks, something has to give and they fail or perform mediocre elsewhere. Dedicated something is better than all around nothing.

Not necessarily. Snows are no bueno when the roads are say 40-50 degrees - an all season normally stops much better then. So you end up with a trade off - because you often have the wrong tire on the car at the wrong time when you are going dedicated.

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Not necessarily. Snows are no bueno when the roads are say 40-50 degrees - an all season normally stops much better then. So you end up with a trade off - because you often have the wrong tire on the car at the wrong time when you are going dedicated.

True, but I would rather adjust my driving than give up superior performance when it is really needed. Such as full on winter conditions.

Of course it is better yet to adjust what vehicle you are driving.

[Potatohead-M2]

Originally Posted by DSTR

All season do not work well for winter conditions either. More than enough research has shown that.

Originally Posted by M2Nebula

Exactly, they are a compromise at best, and like most things that try to accomplish multiple tasks, something has to give and they fail or perform mediocre elsewhere. Dedicated something is better than all around nothing.

The point was, this type of person would think they are. I run two sets of wheel and tires, always have, always will. I actually worked in the tire industry for a long time.

Originally Posted by doug_999

Not necessarily. Snows are no bueno when the roads are say 40-50 degrees - an all season normally stops much better then. So you end up with a trade off - because you often have the wrong tire on the car at the wrong time when you are going dedicated.

Depends on the tire. Performance snows are fine in that type of weather. Nobody is putting Q rated ice tires on their M2, not that they are made in the correct type of sizing anyway.

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by Potatohead-M2

The point was, this type of person would think they are. I run two sets of wheel and tires, always have, always will. I actually worked in the tire industry for a long time.



Depends on the tire. Performance snows are fine in that type of weather. Nobody is putting Q rated ice tires on their M2, not that they are made in the correct type of sizing anyway.

I actually like running slicks in the rain....helps my driving skills.

[thesaintjameshotel]

Originally Posted by akkando

Car gurus shows zero new M2's near me in a dense area and a radius of 200 miles. Auto trader shows nine total, eight of them newly listed, seven of them without pictures within 200 mile radius. My guess is all or most of these are already sold to customers who ordered, with the two with pictures being ones that were not already sold when it hit the lot. Maybe they were ordered at a discount, I don't know.

I secured an allocation and ordered a '17 last February and I took PCD in August.
While waiting I perused cars.com often, and kept seeing new 17 m2's for sale at msrp.
Kept seeing them week after week and finally I was like 'what the fuck am I waiting for'...
I called 6 dealerships advertising them, all over the US, and none were actually available.
I got one salesguy at a big dealership in Houston say to me?'those cars aren't available?any car that is ordered by a customer automatically gets listed'..

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by M2Nebula

I actually like running slicks in the rain....helps my driving skills.

One must 'improve' when conditions allow

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Not necessarily. Snows are no bueno when the roads are say 40-50 degrees - an all season normally stops much better then. So you end up with a trade off - because you often have the wrong tire on the car at the wrong time when you are going dedicated.

True for a small few days in winter when temps alleviate momentarily. But in the middle of winter thats a very small compromise for a short time. If the trend was end of winter into spring sure that might not be optimal.

One might look at long range forecast and possibly change to summer wheels. I normally do this by middle Feb. I project and see what comes in the near future for weather in relation to my tire change timing.

[TXF87]

Originally Posted by thesaintjameshotel

I got one salesguy at a big dealership in Houston say to me?'those cars aren't available?any car that is ordered by a customer automatically gets listed'..

Yeah I just checked on my dealer's site (a big dealer in Houston) and my car is showing up on their inventory. It is supposed to arrive in Galveston at the port on the 6th.

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by doug_999

Not necessarily. Snows are no bueno when the roads are say 40-50 degrees - an all season normally stops much better then. So you end up with a trade off - because you often have the wrong tire on the car at the wrong time when you are going dedicated.

Couldn't believe it personally, but watch this: