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But it's still self-selected through this forum But it's all good because we'll learn a little more about each other. And I hope they'll keep making both. One other thought. Since the cars have gotten so much bigger, the current M5 was like an old 7 series, the M3 is like an old M5, and the M2 like an old M3 (except for the weight.). So keeping the stick in the 2,3, and 4 would sorta kinda be what they've been doing all along. Here's hoping anyway. Ultimately it comes down to what sells. |
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But seriously, there will be a lot of pissed off people. I kind of agree with STK that the M2 is really the new M3 so BMW would be wise to leave the manual in it but we've seen stranger things so never know what's going to happen. The sad thing is that the new Cayman S is now a 4 cylinder so we'll probably have to start buying used cars to get good manual transmission cars. There are plenty of options still so we should be fine. Also, if there is a younger demographic that wants a manual transmission, BMW should cater to it maybe more than the older demographic. The reasoning being that the younger generation will buy more cars than the older generation in the long run. Losing them now might mean losing all the cars that they might have bought from the time they were 20 something till 60 something or even more. Averaging even 1 car every 5 years would still mean 9 cars total between 20 and 60. Are you listening in Munich ?? |
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I'll bet BMW is well aware of the market wishes and knows that even if made in DTC only and based on the production number they won't have any problems selling all of them. As someone else said here earlier was if BMW did throw us the manual option, it's only just a gift for us enthusiasts specifically. One point that I think is valid is the fact that this may be the last generation of 'gasoline only' M cars.
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The Cayman S has gone 4 cylinders already. The CLA AMG has been 4 cylinders for a while and the Audi... Well nobody cares about the VW anyways. |
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But you can keep an old manual Mcar for a long time and if you want updates there are always new stereos systems, some one always has a more powerful engine setup - new turbo - etc..... If there is a market for manuals someone will make them. Mike
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I'm not opposing xDrive in itself. I've owned 5 BMW with xDrive and that in itself is no problem for me. At least not on a DD.
But they all have been naturally RWD cars with the engine mounted longitudinally. This new platform has the engine mounted transversely just like on a VW Golf or any other car with FWD. I guess it's still possible to make the xDrive on a such a car balanced towards RWD but it just doesn't feel right. I'm no BMW purist but I don't think it feels right anyway. Some of the steering feel gets lost with xDrive. It will just make it a little less BMW and more like an AMG45. |
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The chassis feel is where the F48 really suffers in comparison. If you push the E84 hard enough, you can tell it's built on a modified 3 series platform. While it's no M2, it can be at least a little entertaining. If you do the same in the F48, it feels like a tall Mini, except almost all of the fun trailing-throttle mischievous behavior has been neutered. |
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BMW M's latest view on the manual transmission: MT dying in slow-motion ?
http://www.caradvice.com.au/544885/2...-superior-dct/
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I hope they still make manuals, I was waiting for the new 2018 S5, but found out they were only offering automatic transmission, so I started looking for something else. So jumped to M2. I'm guessing some of us made our decision based on the transmission like I did.
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