[chmura]

Originally Posted by norMcal

My plan is to go low options. If history has tough me anything, it's that manual, no sunroof cars are worth more down the road, even though they have lower MSRP. Sure there are probably some options that would be worth while and increase the value, but for the most part the stripper cars is what guys want, once these cars become 7+ years old, because track guys want them.

This is true. Manual, no sunroof, low optioned car with only the performance boxes checked will be worth more 5-10 years from now than dct and sunroof.

Few years ago I was looking for a low mileage 6mt, comp package, no navi, no sunroof e46 M3 and those were going for $$$$ compared to the dct ones.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by chmura

This is true. Manual, no sunroof, low optioned car with only the performance boxes checked will be worth more 5-10 years from now than dct and sunroof.

Few years ago I was looking for a low mileage 6mt, comp package, no navi, no sunroof e46 M3 and those were going for $$$$ compared to the dct ones.

people fucking hate that SMG though and people actually like the DCT. I think the manual will still hold value better, but the DCT may not be seen as such a bummer, and when it's gone and replaced with a torque converter, the DCT may be remembered as the best automatic in a performance car that won't be made again.

Also it will be seen as a scary repair, if it needs to be repaired, so that's a case against DCT, but so far on the older e9x dct there are not a lot of horror stories, just a bunch of people going "is this clunk normal?"

[Tag]

Originally Posted by akkando

Also it will be seen as a scary repair, if it needs to be repaired, so that's a case against DCT, but so far on the older e9x dct there are not a lot of horror stories, just a bunch of people going "is this clunk normal?"

I still own a 2011 335is and no issues with the DCT (knock on wood). It's been remarkably reliable. A lot of the clunks and jerkyness are mostly attributed with firmware IMO. When the car was relatively new I went in multiple times to address this. I recall they had a waiver that you could sign that would remove some safety features that are typically on and were attributed to the clunks etc. Ever since then it's been smooth, no clunks etc., just the typical jerkyness when in traffic and in 1st. Easy workaround, just keep it in 2nd when in stop and go traffic.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by norMcal

My plan is to go low options. If history has tough me anything, it's that manual, no sunroof cars are worth more down the road, even though they have lower MSRP. Sure there are probably some options that would be worth while and increase the value, but for the most part the stripper cars is what guys want, once these cars become 7+ years old, because track guys want them.

Originally Posted by chmura

This is true. Manual, no sunroof, low optioned car with only the performance boxes checked will be worth more 5-10 years from now than dct and sunroof.

Few years ago I was looking for a low mileage 6mt, comp package, no navi, no sunroof e46 M3 and those were going for $$$$ compared to the dct ones.

Add certain colors to that list, E46’s with those specs are going for a premium.

M2 Comp’s with M-Sport seat and upgraded brake option, will probably be sought after down the road. Agree on the manual gearbox, no sunroof.

[dmboone25]

How much longer do we have?

Even though it would be an idiotic financial decision, I might have to get in step with the early adopters on this one.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by akkando

I think it does, because they know a lot of dealers and customers are going to order them with a lot of options pushing the price up, but the low base price gets good press as they can quote the low base price as the price of the car. The low price also fits the M2 below the M3 and M4 which they want.

Depends what you mean by "low". I think $60K is the right spot... nicely spaced between the M240i and M4... closer to the M4 since the car is that much closer to the M4. Any lower and they are leaving gobs of money on the table for the dealers to lap up with premium pricing that BMW sees none of. They can to all that AND leave the opportunity for gravy profit from the add ons.

My point is leaving money on the table makes no business sense in this market sector. They are not trying to sell a Honda.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

Depends what you mean by "low". I think $60K is the right spot... nicely spaced between the M240i and M4... closer to the M4 since the car is that much closer to the M4. Any lower and they are leaving gobs of money on the table for the dealers to lap up with premium pricing that BMW sees none of. They can to all that AND leave the opportunity for gravy profit from the add ons.

My point is leaving money on the table makes no business sense in this market sector. They are not trying to sell a Honda.

My prediction is upper 58XXX + destination for US price. Coming in before taxes and fees for a no option at just less than 60k. They are not trying to sell a Honda but I assume they don't want to be too far away from their competitors either like the RS3 and they may care about getting people into the M market with a lower cost model that they couldn't with the M3 price.

[infinitekidM2C]

this thread is going to get super pointless in a few weeks lol...at this point why even bother to guess...no offense akkkando, just saying

[akkando]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

this thread is going to get super pointless in a few weeks lol...at this point why even bother to guess...no offense akkkando, just saying

The point is alleviate boredom while at the office.

[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by akkando

The point is alleviate boredom while at the office.

hahaha true.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by akkando

The point is alleviate boredom while at the office.

Tag line: quality pays.

[devo]

< $65k base

[subliminalaudio]

69

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

this thread is going to get super pointless in a few weeks lol...at this point why even bother to guess...no offense akkkando, just saying

Agreed!

This poll was started when we thought we were getting a full blown "CS" as a "standard" car so the price ranges were set accordingly. Shortly afterwards we got word it was going to be a "Competition" with all the goodies being options so the title of the thread was changed to reflect this which really skewed the price range choices.

Anyway, since the thread is still alive I will "guess" and take category one, "who the F knows" for $65,000 please Alex.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by akkando

My prediction is upper 58XXX + destination for US price. Coming in before taxes and fees for a no option at just less than 60k. They are not trying to sell a Honda but I assume they don't want to be too far away from their competitors either like the RS3 and they may care about getting people into the M market with a lower cost model that they couldn't with the M3 price.

The current M2 is already more than a match for the RS3. Straight line the RS3 takes it, and better interior. In pretty much every driving experience category that matters the M2 wins. They do not need to worry about the RS3 with the M2 Comp. It is far in the rear view.

They do not want to make the M car too accessible... it cheapens the brand.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I am not as jumpy as you might be - I've still got a ways to go on my F80 lease. But if this looks and feels just a touch more aggressive than the current M2, I am going to getting it for my next car.

I really want to see the HK silver too...that's the color I am most interested in, having had/currently have all the other options.

My daughter should be finishing school around M2 EOP .. so I'm nice and chill, waiting for my CS(L).

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

The current M2 is already more than a match for the RS3. Straight line the RS3 takes it, and better interior. In pretty much every driving experience category that matters the M2 wins. They do not need to worry about the RS3 with the M2 Comp. It is far in the rear view.

They do not want to make the M car too accessible... it cheapens the brand.

There are plenty of sales tactics that they currently employ (leasing M cars for example ) that cheapen the brand already.

The mission of the 1M and the M2 are to bring NEW BUYERS to the brand, not use it as a cash cow. :

The M2 is the sizzle that gets buyers interested. Once at the BMW store the M3 and M4 are the vehicles most available for consumers as M cars and an M240 is also sometimes available.

As a matter of fact , one can walk out of a dealer actually paying LESS on a monthly payment for a lease on a more expensive M3/M4 than for an M2. That certainly cheapens the M3/M4 but BMW has chosen the 3/4 series to be their cash cow along with the 5 series.

The 2, 6, 7 are low volume vehicles.

It's no different than LG or SONY selling OLED TVs ( typically prices at MSRP) but yet they have a ton of lower models available if the customer wants a " deal ", particularly in the larger size sets.

Want a 65" oled? It's $4000. A 75" is $15,000
You want a 75" sir we have this awesome non Oled model for $5,000. What a bargain it is compared to the OLED. Etc.

What a bargain this M3/M4 is compared to the M2 is what the Client advisor says.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

There are plenty of sales tactics that they currently employ (leasing M cars for example ) that cheapen the brand already.

The mission of the 1M and the M2 are to bring NEW BUYERS to the brand, not use it as a cash cow. :

The M2 is the sizzle that gets buyers interested. Once at the BMW store the M3 and M4 are the vehicles most available for consumers as M cars and an M240 is also sometimes available.

As a matter of fact , one can walk out of a dealer actually paying LESS on a monthly payment for a lease on a more expensive M3/M4 than for an M2. That certainly cheapens the M3/M4 but BMW has chosen the 3/4 series to be their cash cow along with the 5 series.

The 2, 6, 7 are low volume vehicles.

It's no different than LG or SONY selling OLED TVs ( typically prices at MSRP) but yet they have a ton of lower models available if the customer wants a " deal ", particularly in the larger size sets.

Want a 65" oled? It's $4000. A 75" is $15,000
You want a 75" sir we have this awesome non Oled model for $5,000. What a bargain it is compared to the OLED. Etc.

What a bargain this M3/M4 is compared to the M2 is what the Client advisor says.

Some good points. But I am not sure the market of people to be drawn in by the M2 Comp and redirected to other BMW vehicles is enough to justify the lost profits of pricing the M2 Comp too low. Sony TV is a whole different world in terms of volume.

The approach of putting out residuals that steer people from the M2 toward the M3/M4 in a lease decision shows that they care about the price point, but are using other mechanisms to redirect buyers. If the M2 Comp comes in too low, then they cannot use those redirect strategies because the residuals would become ridiculous.

They also should be careful not to damage the M2 Comp in their desire to use it to leverage M3/M4 sales. If they get the M2 Comp right, it could become the face of the M car, but will have all that ridiculous pricing scheme baggage around it.

I guess we will know soon... though it is not clear we will understand what BMW comes up with

[dmboone25]

I think the "programs" for the M2 Comp will be even worse than the original M2's were - the leasing options (as @ M3 Adjuster says) are waaaaay better for the 240 and M3/4. If you want an M2 Comp, you're going to be better off buying it outright.

It's not the car that gets you into the perpetual leasing cycle, at least not in my opinion. That's why I would expect an MSRP of right around 60K, but really shitty residuals and high interest rates. Aka, you want this thing? You gotta buy it.

I would love to be wrong though...it would be awesome to see nice leasing options on the M2 Comp - just don't think it's going to happen.

[M-Pilot]

The thread title says "Competition" and the poll title says "CS". Which one are we voting for?

M2 Comp will be the new base model and there is no way it will cost $65K+ IMO. I think it will start from $59k or so but a fully optioned model will easily exceed $70k with optional seats, bigger brakes, DCT, wheels etc.

I bet it will lease horribly and that's a good thing because it will encourage all those people to lease an M3/M4. I'm currently leasing my M4 but will definitely buy the M2 Comp.

[kfscoll]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

As a matter of fact , one can walk out of a dealer actually paying LESS on a monthly payment for a lease on a more expensive M3/M4 than for an M2. That certainly cheapens the M3/M4 but BMW has chosen the 3/4 series to be their cash cow along with the 5 series.

So much this. I'm paying more - way more - monthly for my M2 note than I would be had I leased a well-optioned M3/M4. But I didn't want an M3/M4 and I'll be hanging on to my M2 at least until the next-gen M2 is available.

Besides, with the M2 lease rates where they are, it made absolutely no sense to lease one.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

this thread is going to get super pointless in a few weeks lol...at this point why even bother to guess...no offense akkkando, just saying

They're not going to reveal pricing during the cars debut. That comes later, most likely 1st week of June. In other words, we all need to keep wearing Depend's and changing them often.