[AGM2]

The U.S. market received nearly 1,200 M2 units while production continues to ramp up. Beginning at the end of August, BMW kicked off the production for the 2017 M2s, at a rate of around 130 units per week.

Once believed to be a limited edition, the M2 is – according to the company – only limited by the production plans in Leipzig. The M wizards will continue to produce as many M2s as the market demands

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by AG135i

The U.S. market received nearly 1,200 M2 units while production continues to ramp up. Beginning at the end of August, BMW kicked off the production for the 2017 M2s, at a rate of around 130 units per week.

Once believed to be a limited edition, the M2 is – according to the company – only limited by the production plans in Leipzig. The M wizards will continue to produce as many M2s as the market demands

I guessed this nearly EXACTLY just a few days ago with the following post in one of the LCI threads.

Even with " ramped up production " i doubt they will ever produce more than 1500 a year for the US. That puts the sales of the M2 around the level of the E30 M3 which sold 5000 units in the US between 1988 and 1991 model years.

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Originally Posted by amw896

if you really like this generation, then from a financial perspective it'll be best to wait. M2s are currently big time inflated but once the (expected) s55 powered M2 rolls out, the n55s will plummet in value. Just nature of it when it comes to luxury cars I guess. Of course, that's just speculative but these are not limited in terms of supply like the 1m so i would bet it'll happen.

Originally Posted by M3Adjuster

This is pretty much categorically false. I imagine You are likely basing your opinion on a Mass marketed and sold vehicle ( which the M2 is NOT)

BMW history does not agree with you -

E30 M3 - went from 2.3L to the 2.5L sport EVO of which there were 600 sold. The Sport EVO didn't cause stock M3 values to tank.

E36 M3 had an "upgrade " in motor from S50 to S52 and there is very little difference in the used market today and the 1995 never lost value.

Mz3 also went from S50 to S52 - while the S52 models do have a better value - the S50 models never " plummeted " in the used market.

Non M models

E46 330 ZHP does command higher values than other E46 330 models but Not because of the 10 hp

E9x 2006 model year 330 values aren't significantly different than E9x 335 which went to a new twin turbo motor

BMW M235 values aren't plummeting because of the M240 B58 motor are they ?


Even if the M2 CS has an S55, it will be so hard to get there is little chance it will affect the stock M2. M2 production is artificially limited.


- just as the M2 ZL5 edition of the M2 for US was limited to 150 models, I would expect M2 CS to production to be limited to a particular
Number.

As seen by the models above .. even if ALL M2 produced in 2019 and after come with a new S motor .. the value of the standard M2 models made from 2016 thru 2018 model years likely will remain largely unaffected.

Don't forget that the M2 production for the first few years will be something like ..

2016 - just below 750 made
2017 - ?? Including 150 ZL 5
2018 - ??

My guess for 2017-18 is that production for the US is well under 1500 per year. That means a total of around 4000 made by the time we get to 2019 models ..


Compare M2 production to the E9x M3 which which had 40,000 coupes made, 10,000 sedans and 16,000 convertibles - a total of 66,000 pushed out the door.

BMW made the 1m alongside it and made 740 for the US and around 6300 worldwide..

Is there ANY DOUBT that F8x M3/M4 production will be similar or greater than E9x production ? And yet look at the number of M2 produced ... it likely will be around 1/10 the volume of its bigger siblings.

[gmzanatta]

This is exactly what myself and a few other forums members said last year and it's been a known fact for a very long time. The M2 has always, from the start, been limited only by production capacity. It just so happens that the same plant makes BMW's hottest selling models (especially X1) that will always take priority over the niche M2.

[Jevi Javi]

the horror.....

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by AG135i

The U.S. market received nearly 1,200 M2 units while production continues to ramp up. Beginning at the end of August, BMW kicked off the production for the 2017 M2s, at a rate of around 130 units per week.

Once believed to be a limited edition, the M2 is – according to the company – only limited by the production plans in Leipzig. The M wizards will continue to produce as many M2s as the market demands

This isn't news. BMW has said from the start they would meet demand. Why were you expecting anything different?

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I guessed this nearly EXACTLY just a few days ago with the following post in one of the LCI threads.

I pretty much agree with your post, but for the 2006 E90. They are notably cheaper than the 2007 N54...same for the 530/535.

I'm shopping for a 08+ 535 touring now (07 is N/A)...

[David1]

Old news. Same production levels as they have been for a long time. There is no ramp up.

[Destroya]

Originally Posted by David1

Old news. Same production levels as they have been for a long time. There is no ramp up.

There will be no ramp up. BMW is walking a fine line between producing enough to maintain interest and producing so many that the idea of exclusivity is lost. Great marketing so far but you have to have a good product to pull this off.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by Destroya

There will be no ramp up. BMW is walking a fine line between producing enough to maintain interest and producing so many that the idea of exclusivity is lost. Great marketing so far but you have to have a good product to pull this off.

I am not sure BMW worries about exclusivity of their M2, but agree there is no real motivation to "ramp up" production when other cars make them more money and are not as labour intensive on the production line. It will be hard to even maintain the same production levels if they start including M2 CS models (albeit in 2018) in the same line. Possibly those will just eat into the regular M2 slots on the line.

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

I am not sure BMW worries about exclusivity of their M2, but agree there is no real motivation to "ramp up" production when other cars make them more money and are not as labour intensive on the production line. It will be hard to even maintain the same production levels if they start including M2 CS models (albeit in 2018) in the same line. Possibly those will just eat into the regular M2 slots on the line.

Not really. These will be limited, maybe 150-200 a year tops, so little impact on standard M2 production.

Every M2 that goes in the line takes away the spot of one or two huge sellers (1 series, X1, etc.) which: a) sell way way way more units; b) sell at a higher price since they have options; c) are the bread and butter of BMW now.

So if at the end of the day they have to stop making M2's for a couple days to build up inventory of more popular vehicles than they will (there was one week last year when only 4 M2's were produced...)

[DivideBYZero]

I don't think BMW has ever cared about "exclusivity" of the M line. They are a business that sells cars and they'll try to sell as many as they can.

And before you harp on about the 1M, that was launched very near to the end of the E82 platform lifecycle...

[AGM2]

well i hope this car hold the value !! is my first M & last

[qnet]

I don't understand that much about production of cars as far as the numbers. It's hard to tell from some of you guys posts if you are happy with this or not. It sounds like great news to me, because it means I'll eventually get to purchase one. I don't care about exclusivity, or a special LCI edition or whatever. I just want a regular M2.

[PackPride85]

Profit on BMW SUV>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>profit on BMW M2

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Not really. These will be limited, maybe 150-200 a year tops, so little impact on standard M2 production.

Wasn't aware they had put out numbers for the CS yet. But my point was any CS production will likely eat into M2 production capacity; if it is 10% of regular M2 in numbers, it will mean 90% production of M2 for MY2018 relative to MY2017.

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-2er

Wasn't aware they had put out numbers for the CS yet. But my point was any CS production will likely eat into M2 production capacity; if it is 10% of regular M2 in numbers, it will mean 90% production of M2 for MY2018 relative to MY2017.

They haven't yet but given the M2 Performance availability of 150, there's a very, very good chance the M2 Competition (that's the official name by the way, it's not CS) will be at that level or lower for units.

PS: In Canada it'll likely be in the low six figures, equivalent price to a non-comp M4 - that's what I've been told to expect.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Not really. These will be limited, maybe 150-200 a year tops, so little impact on standard M2 production.

Every M2 that goes in the line takes away the spot of one or two huge sellers (1 series, X1, etc.) which: a) sell way way way more units; b) sell at a higher price since they have options; c) are the bread and butter of BMW now.

So if at the end of the day they have to stop making M2's for a couple days to build up inventory of more popular vehicles than they will (there was one week last year when only 4 M2's were produced...)

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by AG135i

The U.S. market received nearly 1,200 M2 units while production continues to ramp up. Beginning at the end of August, BMW kicked off the production for the 2017 M2s, at a rate of around 130 units per week.
Once believed to be a limited edition, the M2 is – according to the company – only limited by the production plans in Leipzig. The M wizards will continue to produce as many M2s as the market demands

It's been indicated repeatedly on this forum that the M2 would not be a 'limited edition' car. First-gen M2 gets a production run from 2015 to 2020 (see here and here). No preset production number. But, on the other hand, that does not mean 'mass production', of course.

At some point there was a bit of confusion: back in 2014, trustworthy forum fellow "ynguldyn" reported to have seen 'October 2018' surfacing as M2 EOP (end of production) (see here). Early 2015 he removed that EOP date.

I may be proved wrong in the future, but I remain convinced that the M2 CS won't be a 'limited edition' either. If you want one, BMW will make it for you ...as long as it can squeeze your slot into the very busy Leipzig factory schedule. However, needless to say that you won't be the only one + production slots are inevitably determined by the production capacity of a factory.

[AllwaysLow]

Originally Posted by AG135i

well i hope this car hold the value !! is my first M & last

That's what I said about my E46.... until the M2 came about.

[Tag]

Exclusivity? If they gave a sh!te about that they wouldn't whore the M badge on damn near every non-M model.

[littleoldman]

Just enjoy your ride
Enjoy the car for your personal happiness
It is not an investment
It is not exclusive
They will make as many as they can sell.

[Hankdoll]

Originally Posted by DivideBYZero

I don't think BMW has ever cared about "exclusivity" of the M line. They are a business that sells cars and they'll try to sell as many as they can.

And before you harp on about the 1M, that was launched very near to the end of the E82 platform lifecycle...

The 1M was 2011. My E82 was a 2013. So closer to the middle of the production cycle (for US market). I believe the N54 was at the end of its cycle, though.