[redux]

Originally Posted by alexandertg21

The maintenance on that car related to an E36 is like comparing a Ferrari to a Honda.

Not really, running cost might actually be pretty close. Stuff gets cheaper when you strip out the crap that will go wrong.

[atg4]

Originally Posted by redux

Not really, running cost might actually be pretty close. Stuff gets cheaper when you strip out the crap that will go wrong.

Injectors, HPFP, E-Waterpump, etc are not on the E36. Unless you planning on stripping the engine. S52 is way more reliable than any N motor.

[dmk08]

Glad my local dealer doesn't ever go over MSRP. What trash tactics.

[BMWadvisor_SeymurG]

Currently 8 of 10 cars allocated for the year are sold have 2 slots remaining - Selling them at MSRP and not a penny above PM for details!

[marcva]

Originally Posted by alexandertg21

Injectors, HPFP, E-Waterpump, etc are not on the E36. Unless you planning on stripping the engine. S52 is way more reliable than any N motor.

E36 has its own cooling issues (Waterpumpthermostatradiator every 60k), plus some Vanos issues, Power steering hydraulic leaks from hell. They're cheap to maintain, but not perfect. Plus all of the rubber and plastic will be less than 20 years old. I love my E36, and will drive it as long as possible...hoping another 5-10 years, but a new M would be a fun upgrade on the track. By then I will have saved enough owning an E36 that I'll be able to treat myself, though I'll probably be too old and stingy...

[///M-Furby]

if you all just waited, the m2 will be like the i8. one dealer has 400 miles on their i8 and cant give it away.

have patience and in 6 mos it will be invoice plus

[MFNATIK]

Originally Posted by marcva

E36 has its own cooling issues (Waterpumpthermostatradiator every 60k), plus some Vanos issues, Power steering hydraulic leaks from hell. They're cheap to maintain, but not perfect. Plus all of the rubber and plastic will be less than 20 years old. I love my E36, and will drive it as long as possible...hoping another 5-10 years, but a new M would be a fun upgrade on the track. By then I will have saved enough owning an E36 that I'll be able to treat myself, though I'll probably be too old and stingy...

And this is what they call opportunity cost, opportunity lost

Carpe diem!

[redux]

Originally Posted by alexandertg21

Injectors, HPFP, E-Waterpump, etc are not on the E36. Unless you planning on stripping the engine. S52 is way more reliable than any N motor.

Older naturally aspirated S engines aren't as cheap or reliable to track as you think. For the M2, HPFP issues have been relatively sorted on the N55 for a few years and injectors/water pump will most likely not be a recurring problem on a stock engine that only sees 3000 miles annually.

[mshab356]

Originally Posted by bluekn8286

This is makes me sick. As I said in a previous post, BMW is starting to market their higher end cars like Porsche is doing with their GT cars. In other words, limit the quantity to stir up demand and increase the price to make them completely unattainable to new customers. Any dealership that charges a "market adjustment" rate essentially doesn't care about attaining new customers and introducing them to the brand, which is very sad

I don't think the M2 was designed for new customers, but rather current enthusiasts of the brand.

[termigni]

I'll just pay a little bit more and be in a M3/M4, and be much, much happier.

[ur31337]

We are possibly the smallest dealership in the Northeast. We aren't even considering going over MSRP, we don't do that here. Take care of the people and everything else falls into place.

Colby Kay, BMW of New London

Originally Posted by CRtoE92

The bottom line is to go to big dealers who get more allocations... Small dealers with limited allocation will try to maximize their profit from available allocation

[atg4]

Originally Posted by redux

Older naturally aspirated S engines aren't as cheap or reliable to track as you think. For the M2, HPFP issues have been relatively sorted on the N55 for a few years and injectors/water pump will most likely not be a recurring problem on a stock engine that only sees 3000 miles annually.

I've tracked 1 S52 and 2 S54s. I know pretty well the costs associated with tracking them. But then again, I may just be luckier with those cars.

[Vallyshy]

Originally Posted by RocketBoots

Go tell them to F themselves. I feel like this really goes against the spirit of the M2. The M2 is a different price point than M4's, M6's. That's like a ~$15k mark-up for an M4, and a ~$25k mark-up for an M6, which nobody in their right mind would pay, even at launch. Gotta love these Bay Area stealerships. You can easily get it from a So Cal dealer, or out of state; just not the first one. Market forces will dictate. They'll have the only super hot, in demand car that's not selling for some reason, lol.

That's the Bay Area for you... Businessmen and techies drive the price up for everybody sadly

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by termigni

I'll just pay a little bit more and be in a M3/M4, and be much, much happier.

This is what I did.


I love the M2, but I will not risk an increase on a general production run vehicle when I am able to get more car for my money. Being first in line was never an important thing for me, perhaps down the line if I am still interested in the car, then I'll have a look. LCI will come along down the road, anyway. That's what made the M3 work out well for me.

[E92Brembo]

Anybody remember the 150k markup at the launch of the i8? Someone bought.

[BruceM]

Originally Posted by CRtoE92

The bottom line is to go to big dealers who get more allocations... Small dealers with limited allocation will try to maximize their profit from available allocation

I am #1 at a "small dealer," with a promise in writing guaranteeing that slot, and "no higher than MSRP" as a price.

He might not get many allocations, but I only need him to get one

Some of the worst rip-off price stories I've been hearing on this board, in fact, originate in California at pretty big dealers...

[Hrmm]

My sales person at East Bay BMW stated that they never mark up any of their vehicles above MSRP. If you're in the SF Bay Area, you should give them a call - I had a very good experience there and received a nice discount on my M4. Now whether you're one of the lucky few who can get an allocation this early in the production cycle, not so sure about that one.

[mc3456]

It's a nifty car but I wouldn't spend a dime over MSRP. In fact, I wouldn't even pay MSRP. It is a regular production car, and there is going to be lots of competition at that price point.

[Die ///M Rakete]

Originally Posted by ///M-Furby

if you all just waited, the m2 will be like the i8. one dealer has 400 miles on their i8 and cant give it away.

have patience and in 6 mos it will be invoice plus

This actually made me laugh out loud. No.

[Carnook]

Originally Posted by mc3456

It's a nifty car but I wouldn't spend a dime over MSRP. In fact, I wouldn't even pay MSRP. It is a regular production car, and there is going to be lots of competition at that price point.

It just depends on when you want the car. Unless BMW significantly increases production above their current plans then the M2 will remain constrained and priced at MSRP for the rest of 2016. Anyone willing to wait could probably get a discount in 2017 albeit a small discount. The average discount on an M3/M4 in the Bay Area is still just $1500-$2000.

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by ///M-Furby

if you all just waited, the m2 will be like the i8. one dealer has 400 miles on their i8 and cant give it away.

have patience and in 6 mos it will be invoice plus

Hahaha...no.

Customers are now being told 2018 deliveries in a lot of countries, and well into fall 2017 in North America.

Like it or not, it's a limited production car. Not limited as in total numbers but limited in terms of how many they can make a year. The demand is far outstripping the supply but given the fact that Leipzig's main focus is the bulk sellers (1's, 2's, Tourers), I doubt BMW will make many efforts to increase it. Plus the harder it is to get one, the more press/praise they get.

[miiipilot]

Originally Posted by ///M-Furby

if you all just waited, the m2 will be like the i8. one dealer has 400 miles on their i8 and cant give it away.

have patience and in 6 mos it will be invoice plus

$1 says you're wrong...You want to take that action?