[tke743]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

I believe BMW is coming out with a 2 series gran coupe.

In FWD/AWD. If they make a M2GC with RWD I'm in. That = car I want + correct number of doors for WAF.

WAF is Wife Acceptance Factor for those of us who aren't stereophiles too.

[ACZakka325i]

Originally Posted by mWHO

Used Porsches (911 and Cayman) retain their value stupidly in Canada. Enough to say 'should I spend X amount more to get a brand new one'. With Cayman models edging the 100000km mark asking still in the 40s. And stuff like within 1000km of me there is as many GT4s (with a hefty asking price) as regular used examples, 911Rs going for stupid money, etc. All this is adding to an ever growing chip on my shoulder against Porsche. I've never driven one, however I don't want to as they say believe the hype.

Why would anyone ever be mad about a brand exhibiting incredible value retention? It should be applauded in a sea of cash-bonfires. If you do not care to take advantage of that, that's on you.

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by mWHO

Used Porsches (911 and Cayman) retain their value stupidly in Canada. Enough to say 'should I spend X amount more to get a brand new one'. With Cayman models edging the 100000km mark asking still in the 40s. And stuff like within 1000km of me there is as many GT4s (with a hefty asking price) as regular used examples, 911Rs going for stupid money, etc. All this is adding to an ever growing chip on my shoulder against Porsche. I've never driven one, however I don't want to as they say believe the hype.

Good advice, don't drive one, especially a 911 turbo. And yes, the value retention puts most bmws to shame. I know my m2 has had fantastic value retention and will continue right up to the time I want to sell it.

[SDPLV]

M5 Hybrid?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

I believe BMW is coming out with a 2 series gran coupe.

I think you’re right - but no RWD and no M.

Just the limp waisted M performance variant...

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by tke743

In FWD/AWD. If they make a M2GC with RWD I'm in. That = car I want + correct number of doors for WAF.

WAF is Wife Acceptance Factor for those of us who aren't stereophiles too.

You beat me to it - there’s definiately a few folks on here (myself included) who would love a smaller than the F80 M sedan. But that doesn’t seem likely.

But there’s always the 2 series minivan

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by mWHO

Well this M2 CS of spring shall be the determining factor on my loyalty to the (new) Bavarians, depending on price and features of this new car.

I like my F87, but don't love it like my past E92. I was for a while convinced 'maybe I'm just not that into cars' and that the joy I've felt in earlier years was the honeymoon, new appeal of it all. Although disputed, the overall tone on this car is "its special you better like it"; I thought it must be just a me problem. I want to like it. I want to make it my wife. I want to no one but death to do us part. But the M2 to me now is the ghost of that one girlfriend that "if only things changed a bit" she would 'be the one'. Now spending extensive time, over the past two cold months in my (albeit heavily modified) STi, has returned my enthusiasm and joy for cars. At close to 3000lbs, theres just something so fulfilling to the sensorys in its nimble, analog feel. Alas, but this is a bimmer form, and my notion that a Japanese car is more fun to drive than a German is bound to be lost in my vape smoke. Probably time to rip some more primo cotton anyways. I digress, so I've removed my blinders and I've started looking what the other guys have to offer.

Ford is the most tempting (on paper) with their GT350, but also home to the worst build quality. Every in depth video I've watched shows people ecstatic over it. The upcoming GT500 should be incredible too.

The GM ZL1 Camaro and Grandsport have the build quality and street usable torque over the Ford, but GM has (or is) the same designers as Michael Bay. What ever happened to the classy timeless design of the C2?

Porsche 718s are simply breath taking in person, however with a built Subaru STi as my other car, I don't care for another H4. 911 is starting to sail to new waters in price.

Jag XE seems to be a better drivers car than the 335i now, and the upcoming 5.0 SVR version could be monstrous. But I've always found British cars sit weird with me- I want to like them, but I just don't, at least not as much as the Germans. Plus, Jag is still playing catch up from the 2000s.

Alfa Romeo Giulia. Wow. After watching savagegeese' review on it, this is the first car since our dear M2 was unveiled that I've been thoroughly excited for. The epitome of Italian passion and beauty. The interior doesn't look much more than the M2s for 87k CAD though, and I'm sure glad I'm rarely out of the immediate radius of an FCA dealer.

And lastly our arch rivals- if I'm gonna get a plush, numb cruiser that is not small and nimble, get it from the guys who do that best; the C63s coupe seems to be one a hell of a car.

Ultimately the thing to do would be get a low mileage E46 or E92, however the worry of owning a ticking time bomb may not be worth the loss of sleep.

It pains me that its like this, as a loyal person, however in our Capitalist world. I'm likely to be voting for a new candidate next go around.

You need an automobile psychologist stat.

You're in the world you decide you're in, not the world you think you're in.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by mWHO

I like my F87, but don't love it like my past E92. I was for a while convinced 'maybe I'm just not that into cars' and that the joy I've felt in earlier years was the honeymoon, new appeal of it all. Although disputed, the overall tone on this car is "its special you better like it"; I thought it must be just a me problem. I want to like it. I want to make it my wife. I want to no one but death to do us part. But the M2 to me now is the ghost of that one girlfriend that "if only things changed a bit" she would 'be the one'. Now spending extensive time, over the past two cold months in my (albeit heavily modified) STi, has returned my enthusiasm and joy for cars.

OK, we're petrolheads, but don't exaggerate. In the end, it's just a car.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by Artemis

OK, we're petrolheads, but don't exaggerate. In the end, it's just a car.

The most interesting part is that $20,000 would have bought a remarkable car in 1977, and today it would get you a Yaris.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by champignon

The most interesting part is that $20,000 would have bought a remarkable car in 1977, and today it would get you a Yaris.

Inflation isn't really a new concept but yeah from a pure number standpoint.

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by champignon

The most interesting part is that $20,000 would have bought a remarkable car in 1977, and today it would get you a Yaris.

My buddies uncle died and he was left with a Yaris. He needed to transport it to his house so he asked me to drive it back for him which was about a 200 mile trip. It wasn't the most unpleasant experience except I kept looking for the window buttons and couldn't find them. That was the first time in a long while that I was privileged enough to roll up windows with a manual crank. My only real gripe was with the name Yaris.....which I kept repeating like a Pirate for months afterwards and left me scarred for life!

As far as $20K goes today, you can get pretty close to a decent KIA for not that much more. Oops, did I just say KIA ?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by tke743

In FWD/AWD. If they make a M2GC with RWD I'm in. That = car I want + correct number of doors for WAF.

WAF is Wife Acceptance Factor for those of us who aren't stereophiles too.

Audiophile spoken here. And +1 on the M2GC RWD.

If they really do jilt me and my unabashed denials that they WILL make an M2 further progress with 6 MT that would be an ok place to land.

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Audiophile is spoken here

Tubes?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by M2Nebula

Tubes?

Always wanted to own a CJ preamp or amp but no, very much solid state.

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Always wanted to own a CJ preamp or amp but no, very much solid state.

Yeah, they made some nice components. Running a Counterpoint tubed line stage pre and hybrid amp. Always wanted to try out VAC stuff.

[M2Nebula]

Sorry, back to CSL. So what is the estimated weight going to be on the new competition, anyone know or want to guess?

[seetohey]

my guess: 3505 lbs w/ manual transmission

[mWHO]

Originally Posted by ORIGIN M.

You need an automobile psychologist stat.

You're in the world you decide you're in, not the world you think you're in.

Please PM me if you know one.

A curious brain is bound to get lost.

[M2Nebula]

Originally Posted by seetohey

my guess: 3505 lbs w/ manual transmission

So this would be about 50 lbs heavier than the current car with same tranny then? S55 lump and possibly water injection making the difference?

[tke743]

Originally Posted by M2Nebula

So this would be about 50 lbs heavier than the current car with same tranny then? S55 lump and possibly water injection making the difference?

Pretty safe to say that we will not get water injection. 50 lbs is better then I thought , with the (hopefully) additional cooling.

[Bimmed Out]

Originally Posted by Die ///M Rakete

If any of you are surprised at this I have one word for you:

TESLA

Elon really lit a fire under everyone's ass. The term "Game Changer" gets thrown about quite a bit but it is an understatement in Musk's case. He's doing it to the space launch industry and he's doing it to the automotive industry as well. Who's next?!

Hard not to man crush on the dude

Not to sour your man-crush but I couldn’t imagine having any interest in Tesla. The cars make no sound. They don’t handle well unless you are on a straight, forget about corners. The styling is boring and subpar. There have had many quality control issues and the financial structure of the company is highly suspect. I do not get the Tesla hype at all. It represents everything you do not want in a driver’s car.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by kepler

Not to sour your man-crush but I couldn’t imagine having any interest in Tesla. The cars make no sound. They don’t handle well unless you are on a straight, forget about corners.. The styling is boring and subpar. There have had many quality control issues and the financial structure of the company is highly suspect. I do not get the Tesla hype at all. It represents everything you do not want any driver’s car.

Yep, especially in the corners. I was saying the same thing earlier in the thread.

Also, it’s a short term party trick. Two or three times only and then you have to plug the thing in. Not super cool in that way.